So, what precisely was the win condition? Usually it’s “when scum control the vote”, or something of the sort, but Scum didn’t control the vote: Tomorrow morning it would have been two Scum, two Town, with Town holding the tiebreaker.
EDIT: And Wanderers shouldn’t have edited. A player that’s mod-killed is removed from the game, and hence not part of the winning team. At least, that’s the way I view it.
Did Hagrid just run away?
Wasn’t it still 3-2?
I mean, granted the Scum were going to kill toNight.
Or did I miscount the number of Town alive?
It’s even worse than you think story. Hardly had tracked Guiri the previous night and saw him visit ShadowFacts.
And notwithstanding the fact that I was scum, I think Mahaloth made the right calls. It’s really not fair if one team is following the rules and the other team isn’t, there has to be penalties.
Yeah, I’m totally still alive. I vote those other two.
I kind of wish I hadn’t even found that out, storyteller (the network crash or what Wanderers could have done). I wonder whether Inner Stickler’d have risked leaving you alive because Chip and I both had him on our lynch lists and you didn’t.
Wait, Hardly knew what when?
One had already indicated that he wouldn’t be around to do a last-minute vote switch, so that wasn’t really an option even if he’d thought of it.
I also think Mahaloth made the right calls. It really sucked for town, but it wasn’t like the rules were complicated or unclear.
Given the tiebreaking mechanism, it actually does seem like scum don’t control the vote. it would require a fair bit of town luck - whoever jimmy gave the snitch to tomorrow would have to vote right and then pass the snitch safely, but I suppose it is possible.
Well, notwithstanding the fact that I was Town, I don’t think Mahaloth made the right calls. I realize I may be a minority in this, but the rules really ought to be in the service of the game, and not vice versa. The decision to modkill HardlySanguine (although why in God’s name Hardly didn’t reveal what he knew the minute the Day dawned is way beyond me) basically handed the game to the Scum, which meant that basically all of the time and effort that we all spent - Scum and Town alike - was essentially pointless. I don’t blame Mahaloth for this and I acknowledge that reasonable people can differ on the subject, but this is why I oppose any blanket rules regarding modkill. The Moderator should have discretion at all times to do what is in the best interest of the game.
Oh, hey, Red Skeezix: Now that the game’s over, I’m dying to know what the cunning plan was behind your Serial Killer claim.
Oh, and by the way, now that the game is over:
Dear pedescribe:
What the fuck?
On his last night alive, hardly tracked Guri and knew that Guri had used a power on shadowfacts (who died that night). Presumably he would have eventually revealed that information, had he not been modkilled.
To Story:
I think it was sensible for Hardly to wait until guri had cast a vote before revealing what he knew. Hardly didn’t expect to die of a mod kill partway through the day, after all.
Thing is, if story’s work network hadn’t gone out, Town could still have won this one. Of the three people who drew votes Today, two were the remaining scum, and IS would have had a very tricky decision about whether or not to kill Story overnight.
Had we lynched Guiri and they killed Chipa, I’d have voted for Stickler. I wasn’t going to vote for you (Jimmy) at any point. But had they killed you and left me with Chipa and Stickler… I think I most likely would have eventually voted Chipa, and we’d have lost anyway.
To waste a whole day being confusing while everyone piled onto me and to discourage my teammates from taking up any stance which could be percieved as defensive of me. There was the side benefit of possibly indicating that we didn’t have cover roles (which we did), but Maha had made us pick so I got revealed as being covered as Luna. I knew from the start of Night 1 I was dead the next day, so I just created a big fat distraction that would have lot’s of people looking the wrong way. I could have fought it, but at best it would have created a scum v town lynch scenario which could have been analyzed later to provide clues to scum and I wanted to avoid that.
hey, story i hear what you are saying but …
i think that rules shoule be clear and then strictly enforced. allowing the mod discretion on whether to enforce the rules or not leads to all sorts of bad consequences. it would be like changing the rules midstream just to keep it interesting. i think that would be much more unfair.
hardly broke a rule for which the penalty was modkill. he was modkilled.
case closed in my book.
So what would you have done, as Moderator of this game, if Wanderers had edited his post at 11:55AM today?
What’s funny about that, Red, is that if you hadn’t killed me, I’d investigated you and you came up as Luna Lovegood, townie. I wonder what Day Two would have been like had I been alive for it.
You might want to substitute “the decision to modkill HardlySanguine” with “the decision to read from the Forbidden thread”.
I dunno, would you have claimed to save me?
That was only the second time in ~15 games that I’ve seen the GF actually get investigated.
I’m happy with my statement as constructed. The one does not have to follow directly from the other.
It’s absolutely ridiculous that reading from the Forbidden Thread is a modkilling offense in the first place, but I again recognize that as a minority opinion, and one not specific to this game.
Ah, whatever, this is secondary to my main point, which is:
Dear pedescribe,
What the fuck?
my understanding is that it was clear than ANY edits would result in a modkill.
therefore, i would have modkilled him.