Has anybody seen/is anybody planning to see THE CONSPIRATOR?

I’m planning to see it tonight, weather permitting (we’re under thunderstorm and tornado watches tonight). I’m curious if anybody has already seen it and, if so, what’d you think?

I’ve read that Mary Surratt is actually much more a supporting character than a female lead. A historian’s review said Kline was not believable as Stanton but it was a poorly written review and I couldn’t tell if she meant he didn’t look the part or if he didn’t act it well or if the characterization was wrong. My understanding is that it leaves the degree of Ms. S’s guilt largely up to the viewer, which I like. (I think she was definitely guilty of aiding and abetting but deserved incarceration rather than hanging.)

There’s a chance that I will see it tonight, depending on what my movie buddy wants to do. I actually hadn’t even heard of it until I saw a trailer attached to something else last weekend.

I won’t be able to do my usual Friday opening day viewing, so will be interested what others have to say as well.
It looks interesting, although Rotten Tomatoes was not kind.
Still, I have liked quite a few films that RT didn’t like so much.
Will be checking back to see how others liked this.
Sampiro, perhaps you should go sit with Auntie Em in the storm cellar until the tornado passes…then again, maybe you would prefer flying with Dorothy…?

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I have stupidly little fear of bad weather. In fact I love it- not just April showers but downright ‘batten down the hatches’ Nor’easters. As long as the electricity holds out, bring it on.

I saw an advance screening. It has a certain … Afterschool Special feel to it. Surratt is very much a supporting character, and a somewhat impenetrable one at that. Kline is unrecognizable as Kline but very recognizable as Donald Rumsfeld.

That’s deliberate, and it tells you all you need to know.

Two things I learned from the trailer:

Justin Long looks silly with a mustache

James McAvoy will never be in a comedy-he just looks too serious.

I have 2 other movies tonight (Ingmar Bergman and a Palistinian film) but I plan to see this and Potiche tomorrow. Robert Redford is a good director, it’s a good cast and an interesting story. I’m looking forward to it

James McAvoy has been in a few comedies. Starter For 10 and Penelope are two that come to mind immediately.

Hmm, perhaps it’s the beard.

Saw it, recommend it, full review later.

Saw it, recommend it, full review by Sampiro later. :smiley:

A VERY LONG REVIEW

Any spoilers to the movie are pretty much known already to anybody who’s read so much as the wiki on Mary Surratt, so I won’t box them.

It was well acted all around. It also looked good save for some scenes that were a bit too hazy. I would guess that 2010 Savannah is a lot greener than 1865 Washington D.C. but still a decent substitute and actual houses look better than a set (save for a couple that are so well known to anybody who’s spent any time in Savannah).

The issue of her guilt was handled very well. It does not whitewash her and while she herself swears her innocence on a Bible (which means a lot as she’s a very religious woman) to the knowledge of the triple murder plot she admits she knew about the kidnapping plan and that she’d say just about anything to save her son. It implies without actually stating that witnesses against her perjured themselves to be more incriminating and because of the threats against their own freedom and lives, which is generally believed by most biographers. Most historians and biographers portray her as a woman who probably could have gotten Booth and her son and the other conspirators imprisoned or hanged if she had told all she knew before April 14, 1865 but who did not know all the details and almost certainly wasn’t involved in planning them, and this pretty much follows suit. OTOH, all of the flashbacks to the time before her arrest are told from her perspective so if you want to believe she was guilty as sin it’s easily workable and if you want to believe she was a total patsy it’s possible.

I’ll admit I didn’t like the preachiness about the U.S. government and due process. I detest Bush-Cheney’s disregard for due process and one of my great disappointments in Obama is that he hasn’t done more to repair it, I don’t see as strong a parallel as Redford apparently did with the Surratt trial; to say there were injustices and railroading in both doesn’t mean they really fit that well in a CRUCIBLE like retelling. OTOH, while this supplied a couple of money shots of the movie (the role of the U.S. Secretary of Defense is now being played by Kevin Kline as the U.S. Secretary of War).

Casting was great except for Toby Kebbell as Booth- he wasn’t bad just miscast- actually Jonathan Groff, who played Lew Weichman, would have been better- he’s pale and pretty and the right age- though Booth was actually a smaller role than the one he had.

Lots of familiar faces: John Cullum from Northern Exposure is always great to see on screen, Kline of couse, Rachel Evan Wood was good as Anna Surratt. While it sounds trivial to say I’ll say it anyway (cause I never said I wasn’t trivial): some actors are hurt a tad by typecasting. Justin Long did fine in his role but he’s just so typecast in light comedy it’s hard to really not notice; ditto Stephen Root as the man who leased Surratt’s Tavern- he did an excellent job as an unrepentant rebel but obviously terrified witness, but he’s become so associated with so many quirky roles (Milton Waddams, Jimmy James, “My that was some mighty fine pickin’ and a sangin’”) that you tend to notice it a bit. Most obscure perhaps was Jon Voldstad, the actor best known as blonde Daryl from “I’m Larry, this is my brother Daryl and this is my other brother Daryl” as a Union general- lots of screen time but little dialogue- which made me think “Daryl again” whenever he was on screen which of course set some of my A.D.D.led mind into rewriting it as a Newhart episode. ("Prosecution calls Dick Loudon.’ “Bu…but…but I wasn’t even born until almost 70 years later.” “So you did NOT fight for the Union is what you’re saying.”)

I rarely notice goofs and continuity errors so I’m almost glad I finally got to catch one: in the hanging scene Mary is holding a rosary from the time she mounts the scaffold til the time the noose is fitted until her hands are tied behind her back. Just for a second there’s a cutaway after her hands are tied and you see her at a distance from her daughter’s perspective looking out the prison window and you see her hand in front of her for just a very few frames probably holding the rosary in front. Didn’t take me out of the movie but a noticeable flub.

Historically from what I know of the characters (and I knew nothing of Frederick Aiken) it seemed genuinely alright save for Stanton, who Kline acted well as written but I think should have had a bit more rage. From what I’ve read I think that Stanton was shoving her to the gallows less for political or national security reasons than the fact he genuinely wanted to see the people who killed Lincoln swing on a rope- similar to the rage against the Taliban most felt after 9-11 but even though the parallels drawn can be obvious as mentioned I think Redford left out the element of genuine desire for payback in addition to any political advantage of “enemy caught and ours”. (Stanton was not all wheels and gears like he was written in the movie- in fact he was a man of intense emotions, both anger and depression, and had a horrible time with death of those he was close to; not mentioned in the movie but in real life he kept the dead body of his infant daughter (in a coffin, not out in view) in his bedroom for several weeks and had been similarly crazed over the death of his first wife [flipped out when he saw her in her coffin the first time and demanded they take off the black dress she had on and put her wedding dress on her so that she would spend eternity as his bride, and then slept in a room with her coffin for several days, and almost killed himself when his brother committed suicide- while this would be a bit much for a movie about the conspiracy trial, they need to show the powerful if not altogether sane emotions at play here, and in fact he and Lincoln largely bonded over shared grief as the fathers of dead children.)

Sorry- off on a tangent- but- Stanton was portrayed wrong in my opinion.

My biggest irritation for historical accuracy was the hanging scene, and this had nothing to do with the goof. The irritation thing was that they proceeded with great accuracy up to a point: the gallows, the umbrella, the open graves they had to pass by, the stacked coffins, all good, but Mary Surratt was far too calm. Historically she was a basket case who had to be half-carried up the gallows stairs (not from fighting but because she could barely walk from terror). Also in reality when the nooses were being fitted it is recorded that Lewis Powell said "“Mrs. Surratt is innocent. She doesn’t deserve to die with the rest of us”; that’s pretty moving considering he wasn’t protesting his own death or those of the men on the scaffold with him, and he chose to use his last words to speak while he had vision to beg for her life. (After the hood was placed on his head he said “I thank you, good bye”, so they weren’t quite his last words, but they were his last statement.)

Mary Surratt- and this I could have told you in 5th grade when I was nearly expelled for my book report on her (well, the project that accomanied it), were “Please don’t let me fall!” and then “Tell Anna I love her”. Neither was said. She went to her death in the movie with reluctance but stoic grace. I have no idea why they changed it.

Anyway, all in all I recommend it for the character study, the “feel” of the time, the fact there are so few movies made about this era, and some good acting. Robin Wright will absolutely be nominated this time next year, though probably for Best Supporting Actress as opposed to Best Actress. I doubt it will garner any nominations for Best Motion Picture as it’s early in the year and it wasn’t all that. Watch it with some caveats though as to its accuracy, and unless you’re a major history buff about this period it probably won’t hurt anything by watching it on DVD. I hope it does well enough at the box office to encourage more Civil War era movies, but I don’t have great expectations.

PS- This is such a nitpick that I mention not for historical accuracy sake but just as a matter of curiosity.

Surratt’s boarding house was small, though it was on four levels.* She rented one room in the attic, one room on the second floor, one room ground level. Also, like most boarding house operators at the time, she rented not just rooms but bedspace- you could rent the whole room for just yourself for a price but, as with most taverns at the time, you could also rent half a bed.

In real life her boarder and friend Lewis Weichman shared not just a room but a bed with Mary’s son, John, Jr.* Their room was on the attic floor and very small. (This is from reports of the raid at the time.) Again, there was nothing remotely suspicious about this at the time: Weichman was a broke seminary student who worked for peanuts in the War Dept and this was cheaper than renting a room plus he liked John and the family.

In the movie John’s room is on the second floor instead of the attic level so it’s a tad larger than it would have been in real life. There are two full sized beds in it as well instead of just one. I actually wondered if the reason they did this, in addition to a practical reason of more camera room when they’re searching his room, was because audiences would probably assume that two young men [both played by good looking young actors] sharing a bed were lovers. No way of finding out probably, but wouldn’t surprise me.
*The building then [left hand side- John and Lewis lived in the dormer room] and, regrettably, today [at least she didn’t have to live to see $3.99 egg roll, rice and 1 meat specials in her parlor.)
**John Jr. was actually her younger son, incidentally. She had an older son, Isaac, who moved to Texas just before the war and served in a Confederate regiment but he’s not mentioned in the movie because he wasn’t important in the trial. In fact his family wasn’t sure if he was alive or dead at the time since Texas was incommunicable with D.C. by the end of the war.

NPR story about the building that is now the Wok and Roll restaurant.

I’ll be seeing it tomorrow night with some pals from my local Civil War roundtable. I’ll let you know what I thought.

I’ll be very interested to read that due to your legal expertise. I have a couple of questions about the habeas corpus order in the movie I’ll table til you’ve seen it.

Here goes.

It was just OK, I’d say. Maybe a B or B+. The cast was good - McAvoy and Wright especially - and the opening scenes with the assassins moving into place around Washington was genuinely gripping, but it just never really clicked for me after that. The 9-11 theme was handled pretty heavy-handedly, the military tribunal was portrayed too obviously as a kangaroo court, and Stanton came across as a Cheneyesque (and not Rumsfeldian, to me) villain, willing and eager to pervert the course of justice. You never see anyone but Mrs. Surratt actually on trial, but at the end the other three are being executed with her anyway. I did appreciate that Surratt wasn’t shown as a saint, and that the extent of her involvement in the conspiracy was left (properly, IMHO) ambiguous.

I knew Booth had been chased down the alley by someone from Ford’s Theater, right after shooting the President, but I don’t believe the man actually caught up to Booth, got hit by him or knocked down, as the movie showed. I was also annoyed that, no less than three times, someone said, as a military command, “Stand down!” Not authentic to the 1860s, as far as I know.

As to the habeas corpus issue, from all I’ve read, the President had the power, at the time, to set aside a judge’s order as to a habeas petition arising out of a case before a military tribunal. Johnson did just that, although I don’t think Surratt only learned he’d done so moments before she was taken to be hanged. That was pure Hollywood.

The whole movie had sort of an amateurish air to it, which baffles me, given all of the big names involved. Could’ve been much better than it was.

I see they found the classic Lewis Powell shirt from the photo taken shortly after his capture.

Did he really wear that shirt constantly until his hanging?

Well, I’m guessing they didn’t take him shopping or for a makeover after the arrest.:smiley:

Since the thread is bumped I’ll amend my review above: the Lewis Payne “Mrs. Surratt is innocent” comment that I said was missing turns out to be apocryphal. It did not appear in initial recountings but worked it’s way in later. If he said it, and he did make similar statements, it was much earlier than the day they were executed.

I got this movie from Redbox on DVD for the extras and… there are none. The only extra is an utterly skippable audio commentary by Robert Redford; you’d think he’d have had a historian or a Surratt biographer or at very least some of the actors but, nope. It was also surprising when he was talking about how professional Stephen Root was during his two day shoot; it was very clear Redford had no idea who Root was even though he’s one of the busiest (and imo one of the best) character actors in Hollywood.