Speaking of Masonic-sponsored youth organizations, here is a short list from Wikipedia.
Proof positive why it’s better to put your daughters in JD and not Rainbow. 
Idiot? Wow.
Utter lie. I tried. Was informed unless a Mason had invited my son into Demolay already and he was a secrecy-sworn member, I had no place at those meetings. It was my brother’s son I was concerned about. I was refused all access.
Oh? Don’t tell me that children in that organization are safe from sexual abuse from within Demolay and The Masons. Just four of many many instances of child rape by Demolay adult supervisors.
Moving on…
So? Read the banner at the top of the page. We’re interested in fighting ignorance. Since every single NON-member of the Masons is ignorant 100% as to the secret sneaky traditions and rules and behaviors, why not assume the truth here- that we broker in real truths. Tell us everything if it’s just “silly”. We’re waiting.
How wonderful for your children that they escaped unscathed and have good memories of the experience.
A history of the Knights Templar. Wiki. By no means exhaustive, but I trust an overview delivered here as well as anywhere else. The poster I am replying to attempts to convince that all faiths are welcome, that Masons are not Christian-centric. Since the decline of the Knights Templar was accelerated by the rise of Islam, I would be very curious to see hard numbers on the percentage of Masons and Demolay and Rainbow that are Muslim. I suspect it’s a number too small to count. Still, we’re about fighting ignorance here. Hard numbers on the percentage of Muslims who are currently Masons, please.
Yes, you’re an idiot in this thread. “Wow,” indeed.
You were refused access to the closed ritual. Do you know why? Because your son wasn’t in the club. Your brother, being the actual parent of a person actually in the club, would be permitted access. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
So that’s four. How many instances were there? How many instances have not been addressed by the legal authorities?
That’s right. It’d be nifty if you’d try not to spread more ignorance like you’re doing in this thread.
Wait on. “Secret sneaky traditions and rules and behaviors,” huh? You prove yet again that you’re being an idiot in this thread.
Everyone I know who was involved in Freemasonry (Blue Lodge, Scottish Rite, York Rite, Prince Hall, Eastern Star, Shriners) and its appendant bodies (, DeMolay and Knighthood, Job’s Daughters, Rainbow Girls, etc.), in various states in the US, in American communities in South Korea and Japan, and both Americans and Germans in Germany escaped unscathed. That’s because the incrediby vast majority of the members and their leaders are not out barebacking all the nubile teens like you’re pretending it’s set up for.
All faiths are welcome in Freemasonry provided that faith has the concept of a supreme being. And, yes, even Buddhists have been known to join. One of my platoon-mates when we were stationed in Monterey is a DeMolay and a Buddhist. There are specialty clubs within Freemasonry for those specifically of one faith.
They’re not. There have been Buddhists, Christians, Jews, and even Muslims in Freemasonry.
Are you purposely being this idiotic? The Knights Templar which declined due to the rise of Islam is not the same group as the Masonic group known as Knights Templar.
Well, given that the club began in western Europe at a time when damn near everyone in said region happened to not be Muslim, it’s not that big a surprise that Muslims simply haven’t had a tradition of joining Freemasonry for the most part in Islamic countries, and, continued that tradition of not joining over to the countries where they’ve immigrated. Here is a site about Freemasonry in Islamic countries. There’s a bullet list from an Islamic authority on reasons why Muslims should not join Freemasonry. The bullet list has some laughable assertions, but the fact is that authority promulgated the list as a basis for its decision. It’s really not far different from the rationale the Papacy used to prohibit Roman Catholics from joining. (I do not know if Roman Catholics are still barred by their Church from joining; I do know, on the other hand, a number of Roman Catholics who were in my DeMolay chapter and Knighthood Priory.)
Well, since a candidate’s religion is not specifically asked, do you think that’s even possible to get that information?
Want some advice? Here it is: Get a grip, man.
Got nothing to hide? Let family in. Oh wait, I thought this was such a family-centric group. What’s to hide then?
You do realize how utterly inane that last question is, don’t you? " How many crimes were committed that the authorities don’t know about?! Answer up!" Moron.
Spreading ignorance? Well, if you’re accusing me of making up fictitious cites, then yes. I’ve spread ignorance. If you admit the sexual assaults detailed in the cites are real, then I’ve used cite to prove my point. Not to spread ignorance. Why are you struggling with the idea that Demolay is unsafe for some children?
If they’re not secret, then someone should come on in here and share them.
How coy of you. Why, I’d expect better of a Scientific Advisor. Let me slowly explain this to you since the cites given apparently are regarded by you as whole cloth fiction. You can name as many countries as you wish. As many silly club names as you can dredge up. The irrefutable fact remains that a secret organization that aggressively fights being observed and refuses to answer questions about its practices has within it sexual predators. You can say it doesn’t. You can say the cites provided are lies. Just because you badly need to believe that doesn’t make it the truth.
Agreed- not the same group, even though their name is derived from it. So, fair to say, inspired on some levels by them. Otherwise, why did these wise and wholesome chaps take the name?:dubious:
I’ve been advised to change my tune and get a grip.
So, you’re entirely correct in everything you said your last post, Monty.
Grip gotten on my way out the door.
Nowhere did I assert that the cites you provided are fiction. I simply pointed out that you’re condemning an entire group for the illegal actions of a very few.
Why did the current Knights Templar take the name? Same reason as any group at the time it was founded take whatever name they took: they liked the sound of the name, they liked what they thought it stands for. Speaking of what it stands for today:
This from you is ridiculous:
The fact is that Freemasonry is not a secret organization. Hey, it was so secret you even knew where the meetings are held, what time, and who’s there! Freemasonry dosn’t aggressively fight being observed nor do they refuse to answer questions about their practices and purposes. Well, there is the little bit about the club password, but that’s not at all what you’re pretending it is.
In addition to my advice above for you to get a grip, here’s some more advice: Don’t pretend I said something I did not say.
When you called this organization up, did you offer any verification that you were,in fact, related to one of the children in their organization? Even if you did establish your identity, do you think it would be remotely appropriate for this organization to divulge any information about a minor child under their care to you with out the express permission of the child’s legal guardian?
Do your nephew’s parents know that you make a habit of investigating your nephew’s social life for pedophiles?
Miller: See post #66. Evidently (heh, heh) things weren’t going his way and he’s “on [his] way out the door.”
Ditto. Knighthood was kind of cool, but Knighthood groups were more regional in nature as no one city here in rural North Florida had enough boys to support one (IIRC Knighthood was restricted to older Demolays. 16+?). Which was really one of the benefits as it let you get to know Demolays from other chapters.
Still it just seemed like the Rainbow’s had more fun in general. I suspect that local variation has a LOT to do with it though - the group with more engaged advisors and/or a better cadre of older girls willing to participate will be the “better” one in a given area. For you that was JD, around here it was RG (at least in the early-to-late eighties. No idea what the landscape is now.
Because “We’re descended from an ancient order of noble Christian knights” sounds better than “We were founded by a bunch of rich guys who took over a medieval craft guild for their social club”?
I have to say that I respect your opinion however your one hundred percent wrong. I tried doing other groups such as boy scouts which is hell of a lot worse. Because your in the middle of no where with a scout leader. Demolay I really fit in. Because the people were nicer and when we did over night trips the boys roomed by ourselves with other chapter brothers and advisors would be clear on the other floor in the hotel. I am a senior DeMolay I aged out but now I am a advisor in the local chapter. What your insinuating has never happened ever to my knowledge because the adults aren’t involved. Its the boys organization they plan it all we just advise and attend so that people like your nephew don’t get hurt. For my chapter of thirty something boys there are only two advisors needed to keep a eye out. Demolay and other mason organizations have played a huge role in my life. I entered a essay completion for DeMolay in high school and I was able to travel to Anaheim California to attend their international session and went to Disney land for free. And I barely saw the advisors the entire weekend. Its a wonderful opportunity for young men and it teaches them to be better.
Also, you could have easily fixed the problem if you attended the initiation of your nephew theres a line for family members that invite you to get involved. And you can be able to know all those things
Sneer all you like, dude was beating you to death in this thread.
“cannot talk about what happened?” You mean the rules do not allow him to do so, or he has some weird psychological reaction? It’s a secret fraternity. Surely you are familiar with secret fraternities and clubs. They are all over the place. Personally, I find the secrecy of these kinds of organizations preposterous and would never join one. But different strokes for different folks.
And you do need to “get a grip.” You are his uncle, not his father or guardian. Why do you care? If you have any reasonable suspicion based on evidence that molestation of some such criminal activity is going on, report it to the police. You have none. That doesn’t mean it never happens. Those crimes go on all over the world, but that doesn’t mean that each and every chapter is abusing its members, or that it is even frequent.
You seem to be irrationally going off on the fact that the boys have a secret that they have promised not to tell you about their handshakes, rituals and so forth and are trying to find out by suggesting that someone in this chapter is up to no-good. Without any evidence other than you’ve been told it is none of your business. Well, it is none of your business unless you suspect a crime based on something other than being outside the circle.
Frankly, you come off as a really creepy uncle in this thread, which is far from your usual posting.
If you really want to find out what a particular masonic order does, go down to your local library or local masonic book shop and look at the books they have. It isn’t really that secret.
It is a legit youth organization, that like all youth organizations, has from time to time attracted secret pedophiles, who are prosecuted when found out. But on the whole, it does the boys a lot of good to find a place where they can fit in during their teen years.
Yeah, that’s how they got Mozart . . .
Just a note that this is a newly re-zombified thread and was originally posted in 2005. Said nephew is now around 20 years old.
And traumatized for life, needle tracks all up and down his cock, hanging around bus-station and truck-stop men’s rooms selling blowjobs . . .
Evidently your reading’s not much better than sherm’s writing.
I don’t even have a dog in this fight, but debate is a skill and you got your rhetorical ass kicked. You could be right, you just don’t have much to crow about upon that shit heap of an effort you put forth, which is all I pointed out.