I think that folks should be edjucated about Islam. Then will they know that it’s all about attacking folks who do you no harm.
“If they withdraw from you and fight you not, but (instead) send you (guarantees of) peace, then God alloweth no way for you (to war against them)” (4:90).
“If the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God” (8:61).
Well, I’ll cite the entire koran.
Go check it out, you’ll see.
As for the other stuff, 9/11 did happen for their allah. And that was just the tip of the iceburg, imo.
No, sorry. It’s not for ME to seek out sources for what YOU are claiming.
Got chapters and verses? Quotes?
here’s the “peace” you morons love so much:
And there are some people who say: We believe in Allah and the last day; and they are not at all believers. They desire to deceive Allah and those who believe, and they deceive only themselves and they do not perceive. There is a disease in their hearts, so Allah added to their disease and they shall have a painful chastisement because they lied. - Koran, Surah II: 8-10, “The Cow.”
And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say: surely Allah’s guidance, that is the (true) guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper. - Koran, Surah II: 120, “The Cow.”
And whoever disbelieves, I will grant him enjoyment for a short while, then I will drive him to the chastisement of the fire; and it is an evil destination. - Koran, Surah II: 126, “The Cow.”
And do not speak of those who are slain in Allah’s way as dead; nay, (they are) alive, but you do not perceive. - Koran, Surah II: 152, “The Cow.”
Surely those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers, these it is on whom is the curse of Allah and the angels and men all… - Koran, Surah II: 161, “The Cow.”
And kill them wherever you find them [we infidels], and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers. - Koran, Surah II:191, “The Cow.”
And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah. - Koran, Surah II:193, “The Cow.”
And fight in the way of Allah, and know that Allah is Hearing, Knowing. - Koran, Surah II: 244, “The Cow.”
Say to those who disbelieve: You shall be vanquished, and driven together to hell; and evil is in the resting place. - Koran, Surah III: 12, “The Family of Imran.”
O you who believe! Take your precaution, then go forth in detachments or go forth in a body. - Koran, Surah IV: 71, “The Women.”
Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world’s life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward. - Koran, Surah IV:74, “The Women.”
And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah. - Koran, Surah VIII: 39, “The Spoils of War.”
And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away! - Koran, Surah IX:30, “Repentance.”
monty 2, so you have any basis for these claims? I’d like to ask for specifics.
Oh, wait. Maybe you’re just claiming these things without any concrete reason and citing entire books (of which I already cited two verses that appear to be against your thinking).
You aren’t winning this “great” debate. Nor are you converting many folks, if my intution is right.
I just pasted a ton of info that negates your 2 little quotes.
Sorry, you lose.
Ah, but if it’s a contest…
The Bible:
Num 10:9 And if ye go to war in your land against the enemy that oppresseth you, then ye shall blow an alarm with the trumpets; and ye shall be remembered before the LORD your God, and ye shall be saved from your enemies.
Num 31:27 And divide the prey into two parts; between them that took the war upon them, who went out to battle, and between all the congregation
Num 31:53 ([For] the men of war had taken spoil, every man for himself.)
Deu 21:10 When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,
Jos 8:1 And the LORD said unto Joshua, Fear not, neither be thou dismayed: take all the people of war with thee, and arise, go up to Ai: see, I have given into thy hand the king of Ai, and his people, and his city, and his land:
Jos 10:24 And it came to pass, when they brought out those kings unto Joshua, that Joshua called for all the men of Israel, and said unto the captains of the men of war which went with him, Come near, put your feet upon the necks of these kings. And they came near, and put their feet upon the necks of them.
Jdg 3:10 And the Spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he judged Israel, and went out to war: and the LORD delivered Chushanrishathaim king of Mesopotamia into his hand; and his hand prevailed against Chushanrishathaim.
1Sa 19:8 And there was war again: and David went out, and fought with the Philistines, and slew them with a great slaughter; and they fled from him.
Jos 8:7 Then ye shall rise up from the ambush, and seize upon the city: for the LORD your God will deliver it into your hand.
Jos 11:6 And the LORD said unto Joshua, Be not afraid because of them: for to morrow about this time will I deliver them up all slain before Israel: thou shalt hough their horses, and burn their chariots with fire.
Deu 9:28 and because [the LORD] hated them, he hath brought them out to slay them in the wilderness.
Jos 10:10 And the LORD discomfited them before Israel, and slew them with a great slaughter at Gibeon, and chased them along the way that goeth up to Bethhoron, and smote them to Azekah, and unto Makkedah.
1Sa 19:8 And there was war again: and David went out, and fought with the Philistines, and slew them with a great slaughter; and they fled from him.
Est 9:5 Thus the Jews smote all their enemies with the stroke of the sword, and slaughter, and destruction, and did what they would unto those that hated them.
Num 11:33 And while the flesh [was] yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the LORD was kindled against the people, and the LORD smote the people with a very great plague.
Shall I continue?
It’s not a contest. Which religous is a threat to the world right now?
Not Jews, not Christians. Yes, it’s the islamics.
Stop making a fool out of yourself.
Please don’t feed the trolls, Ignore monty and his hatemongering and he’ll go away all on his own.
Not even close.
Horrific as those deeds may be, they don’t even begin to compare to the atheistic regimes of Lenin, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and the like, wherein people were slain for professing to believe in God (among other things).
Killing non-combatants isn’t really the distinction.
In the case of the Crusades, killing them was by and large not a means to an end: it was one of the ends. Crusaders weren’t killing innocent people as a means of sending a message. Their intent wasn’t to terrorize the population into doing anything. It was to kill them.
No doubt there were plenty of incidents of terrorism during the Crusades. But they as a whole are far better described by words like genocide than they are by terrorism. In terrorism, the people are target because they are an indirect means to an end. When the end IS the killing of civilians, that’s something quite different, though maybe not any better or worse.
islam specifically says convert or kill the infidels. So it’s also a form of practiced genocide. Look at 9/11… There were no demands or expectations. Just death and destruction.
That is all modern islam is about.
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Well, Unless I misinterpret everything, that’s exactly what the Crusades and Inquisition were about. Specifically state sponcered persecution (to the point of death in many cases) of Jews and Muslims. Who, BTW profess belief in the same god as the christians.
monty2_2001, that is incorrect. That is old militant Islam. One time, the dervishes were one battle away from conquering all of Europe. And they ultimately drove the Crusaders out. As it is, there is heavy Arabic influence in the Spanish language. The Wahhabi sect is the main remnant of that type of militant Islam.
Modern Islam includes mystical Sufism and the more tolerant type espoused by Malcolm X before he was assasinated.
And it’s the same old storiiiieeeiiiee(sing this with Paul Simon’s voice):
The first thing to do is to clearly define the subject. Any takers?
Some of the recent acts of terrorism(in my definition) that spring to my mind:
The bombing of german cities during the second world war. Nearly the whole US lead war in Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos.
The involvment of the US in Nicaragua.
By the way, I read somewhere that the US committed 250 unprovoked attacks on other countries since the end of WW2.
Anybody who can point me to that list?
And as there are clearly a lot of people out there that don’t agree with my definition and the above list, how about:
Terrorism is what happens when a suppressed and powerless part of humanity has got their guts full and starts to hit back?
Isn’t it amazing that it is always the powerless underdogs that get accused of T., while the deeds of powerful and righteous states like the US don’t fall under the mainstream definition?
If the US where to invade the country I live in (maybe because they ran out of clean water and air and now need ours), I think I might, peaceful as I am, be inclined to condone terror attacks.
If you can’t feel the anger of a helpless people sear in your own guts, then don’t condemn them, you don’t understand.
And getting back to the start: most major religions are against violence. BUT if you are so inclined, you can always find quotes to prove that they incite it.
The devil quotes scripture(espc. on US TV)
If the Islamic countries had the ease and riches the western countries have, they certainly wouldn’t turn on us.
The point is never what religion or philosophy you follow, but: How do you lead your life?
And what were the demands of Timothy McVeigh, praytell?
It’s because “Terorrism,” by most bodies, is done by nonstate actors by definition. If you want to condemn the US, call them War Criminals. They are most certainly not Terrorists.
The U.S. in WWII without any doubt committed acts that, if they were committed by anyone else, in the modern age, would have been called terrorism. i.e.: attacking civilian populations in order to “send a message.” The fact that it was a country that did this shouldn’t matter, nor should it that it was wartime. Certainly the MORALITY of what the U.S. did in those instances is very different from, say, Hamas does.
The real problem is that some people today seem to want to claim that terrorism is never justified, and so define out of existence the examples of actions they think were justified, but were almost certianly terrorism by any equitable definition.
Of course, nowadays the definition has loosened so that any action, even against military targets for a military purpose, is called terrorism, as long as the pepetrators don’t just politely stand around waiting for us to drop air fuel bombs on their heads.
It’s because “Terorrism,” by most bodies, is done by nonstate actors by definition. If you want to condemn the US, call them War Criminals. They are most certainly not Terrorists.
So can you explain why I constantly hear and read about “terrorist nations”…
Is that because it is said by USA about non US nations or what is behind it?
Salaam. A
And your point would be…
Battles are pretty ugly, specially when there is a city involved. With your point of view every military leader in history was a terrorist.