I suspect that Ann Dunham was “dippy” in the sense of being a non-conformist, and rebelling against conventional social roles. However, a single mother who is “not too smart” is unlikely to bring up a son as smart as Barack Obama.
You’ve been asked the same question many times, and you’re still not answering.
I’m not sure they will be readily available, since laws that are off the books are marked “repealed.” But it’s worth pointing out again that the law you are talking about was passed in 1982. That means it’s possible that babies born outside of Hawaii to Hawaiian parents were not able to get birth certificates from the state. (And again, if they could, why would those certificates say the babies were born in Hawaii?)
Remember, Don thinks that Obama is horribly stupid. He thinks his staff wipe his ass for him, that he is an affirmative action hire and doesn’t actually understand the law.
It seems like Don simply has an unreasoning hatred of Obama, so he’s willing to believe *anything *negative anyone says about him. No matter how much proof there is to the contrary.
Sad, really.
You know, if she actually did have a baby in Kenya, then flew to Hawaii four days later to somehow scam the state into falsely certifying that he was born in Honolulu and/or that she had resided there for over a year, and then planted fake birth announcements in the local papers all in the hopes that he could run for president in 45 or 50 years, I’d say that was pretty damn smart. Fiendishly clever, even.
And doing all that with a black kid was the perfect way to throw everybody off the trail – who in 1961 would have believed that he ever had any possibility of someday being elected President?
No, smart would have been to save the cost of the plane fare and not risk the kid to third-world medicine, and just stay in Hawaii to have him.
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Obamabat? Is he Dracula now? The form pictured says “certificate of live birth;” the one that was released says “certification of live birth.” That’s probably what is released when someone writes the state of Hawaii with a request for a copy of a birth certificate. The state of Hawaii has verified the original is on file. None of this explains why Obama’s birth certificate says he was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961, and why it was filed four days after that.
Don123 writes (about the Electoral College):
> All through out history they were nothing but a rubber stamp, a drunken party
> time in Washington, with a little bit status so they can brag to their friends, and
> that is all.
You have never done any research on American political history, have you? The Electoral College certainly was more than a rubber stamp as the writers of the Constitution conceived it. They expected that most politics would be at a state level. They expected that there wouldn’t be any national parties. They therefore came up with the Electoral College because they figured that a direct election of a President would simply end up with a lot of candidates with little recognition beyond their own state. The idea was that the voters of the state would each elect a group of men from their own state who had a better grasp on national issues than the voters themselves (who the writers of the Constitution thought wouldn’t be able to make any useful decisions about national issues). This small elected group of men would then come together and decide among themselves who the President would be.
The problem was that very quickly national political parties developed. It turned out that the ordinary voters did have a good grasp on national political issues. So within a few decades the Electoral College began to seem irrelevant, since the person who they chose as President was nearly always the same as the one chosen by the sum of the popular votes in each of the states. Furthermore, the Electoral College has never been a drunken party. The electors arrive in Washington, go to the place where they meet, and vote. It’s over quickly and then they go back home. No one gets any additional status. It’s considered a boring and pointless trip in general.
The fact that you don’t know anything about the history of the Electoral College and don’t know where Sarah Palin was born tells me more about you than the fact that you’re just repeating the same Birther arguments. You’re copying the Birther arguments because you’ve decided that anybody who disagrees with them is wrong, so you don’t have to read anything else and can just dismiss anybody else as being part of a big conspiracy. However, when you get facts like Palin’s birthplace and the Electorial College wrong, it’s a bigger problem. You’re not doing it because it supports the Birther cause, because both of those facts are irrelevant to the Birther cause and other Birthers don’t make those mistakes. The fact that you get the Palin and Electoral College facts wrong shows that you don’t actually care about facts at all. You apparently make those mistakes because you can’t be bothered to look up anything. You apparently think that anything you write down is automatically correct and you don’t have to check anything, regardless whether it supports your arguments.
How did Obama’s mother get out of the country and back in, without a passport, Don?
And this is key. Don, you’re not a very good citizen, if you don’t know how the government works. You’re a bad American.
[nitpick]The only electoral voters who meet in Washington are the ones selected by Washington. The rest meet in the capitals of their respective states and send a Certificate of Vote to the President of the Senate.[/nitpick]
Thanks, Frank. So it’s even clearer that it’s not a drunken party. The electors go to their state capitals, vote, and go home.
So I have posted with reference 4 different ways that Obama could be certified as a live birth in the state of Hawaii in 1961.
Pick one, any one, that shows proof positive that obama was physically born in that State.
You simply do not have it and you never will until Obama releases the original birth records and not a computer generated short form copy.
You have no more idea of where obama was born than the man in the moon, and you cannot lie to yourself any longer. You, nor I, simply do not know with the evidence that is on the table. Every thing else is speculation, insults, and political propaganda.
Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health can say what he wants, he has NOT told the public what form was used to register obama’s birth, so all he has to say is moot. And he did NOT say Obama was born in Hawaii.
Here are his exact words:
“…Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”
YES, at the time it would valid, under Hawaiian law, to mail in a report and the child not ever seen and the parent not even living in Hawaii.
YES, that law was repealed for its stupidity, but it was in effect at the time of Obama birthday. see the posting above.
Why were there 4 different procedures at the time of Obama’s birth to register a live birth? We can speculate, not on conspiracy, but on events at the time.
Look at the history of Hawaii. A slaughtered and slaved native population by the whites, total destruction of the native kingdom, invaded and exploited, lands stripped from the local population, forced conversions to Christianity at gun point and starvation, destruction of the natural environment, and out voted by invading whites to be a territory and by the military force of the USA, and beat in votes by the non-natives to become a State. Foreigners poured in from about every country on this planet hardly restricted having children and bringing their children. In addition, two complete generations of natives had to be killed or die out naturally to promote a total cultural change to USA standards.
NOW who is a citizen of Hawaii?
It took time to get this straightened out, consolidate the laws to be compatible with the USA federal government, as Hawaii had become a state in 1959 and obama was born in 1961, only about two years between the events. Of course the laws will change, as the people are trained to enforce them. But what we are interested in are the laws at the time of Obama’s birth.
This is not a conspiracy it is an honest search of the facts, and the ability to face the truth no matter how much it hurts.
So here is where we stand in this argument. You don’t know where obama was born—you have no idea. To say other wise you have to discredit my reference as to state laws at the time of obama’s birth. And I’m not sure you can do that with the resources on the net, but either way it will be a task. But you are welcome to try. This is where the rubber meets the road, as until we get past this point the USA constitution chapter 2 sec, 1 is not applicable, and that is a different argument.
Name calling is fun, insults make me giggle, you have some inventive minds out there, and I have learned more than the last time I took on this subject, and I think I’m better for it.
so have at it and what you can get.
Don
Hang on; is it a Certificate of Vote or a Certificate of Live Vote? There’s a difference, you know.
Yes ,but Don 123 took Birther 101 at Liberty College.
Nobody, apparently. The entire state is a moral dead zone, by your argument.
I burning your certificate!
Answering El Kabong
To what legal authority must a candidate for President present his or her proof of birth in the USA?
I’m not sure, perhaps to the State department, or at least some one there should know—maybe. And I am not sure that you have to notify any one in the federal government if you are running independently. I would assume if you are running on a party ticket, then before public announcement of your candidacy you get the paper work straight with the party leaders, or the party’s main office i.e. the secretary if nothing else.
- At what point in the process of running for President must this be done?
I would say a person should prepare all the paper work, birth certificate and such the like, BEFORE going public.
- Was this done for Presidents Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 41, Clinton and Bush 43?
I can assume it was, but I do not find that relevant to this thread, but what ever Nixon said, after he was a proven liar, would be double checked 100 times.
But on a side note: I assume that obama knew of his massive birth certificate problems, prepared for it extensively but decided not to bring it up until the press did. Then attack all who would not buy into his bull shit. Obama did not plan out his presidency, others did—he was just the big mouth part, a talking head, an a empty suit, playing out the race card, and trying not to look stupid as a 42 year old virgin on a first date. Nothing new here.
Don
You are basing that on nothing but conjecture and awe-inspiring ignorance of factual issues.
Just because you hate Obama, doesn’t mean that every conspiracy theory you hear about him is true. The fact that you’re calling a very accomplished man stupid, when you are having trouble grasping the fundamental basics of evidence and logic is kinda ironic, don’t you think?