Has the fashion police really been disbanded (an end of dominant trends)?

Just to note, in my original post, I did not postulate that there are no new trends or that anyone, boys and men or otherwise, looks just the same as people did 30 or 40 years ago. Merely that a wider variety of fashions are available (and socially tolerated), and that in the last decade, few if any trends have been as ubiquitous as the “must-haves” of previous years. I am not oblivious to past and current trends; in fact I recognized new trends in real time when I noticed them come about, I would say starting in the late 80s at around 9 years old and definitely in the 90s and new 10s. In my original post, I even gave examples of the recent ones.

As a child of the 90s, I have to disagree that mens’ haircuts were no different back then than today. Maybe the closing years of the 90s, but at the beginning of the decade the way hair was cut tended to be rather different. Even if a man had short hair, it was common for more bulk to be left on and for less tapering to occur. If you look at pictures of men from the 80s and early 90s, they often have more hair in the back. Today if a man has even a little hair jutting out at the neck, people will call it a “mullet”. As for more iconically 90s trends, a popular haircut from when I was a pre-teen was the bowl cut. When did you last see one of these? During the course of the decade, hairstyles that were long on top and short on the sides (sometimes with writing or pictures shaved into the sides) were popular, or in general such where there was a lot of hair on top, parted in the middle and falling on the sides of the temples as curtains. Or long hair also parted in the middle a la Curt Cobain. Towards the end of the decade, however, short hair started becoming popular again. By around 2000, it way ubiquitous - when looking at boys and young men, you’d think it was the 50s all over again (and that was just when I was growing my hair out). At the turn of the century, there were lots of boys who had a sort of Caesar crop with the front spiked up. During the 00s, however, the skater look, where boys grew out their hair around the ears in a style not unlike 70s hair, also became popular. There was also the emo haircut that fell over the eyes, sometimes worn even by people who were not themselves emos. Today there doesn’t seem to be any typical hairstyle either on men or on women.

As for “normal” styles in the 90s, you’ll definitely see things on “Friends” and other period TV shows that are nowhere to be seen today. Examples are the “Rachel” hairstyle on, well, Rachel, baby-size short-sleeved cardigans worn over a woman’s top or dress, lipstick of a rather brownish shade, or severely plucked eyebrows. That said, I would say that 90s fashion was varied enough, and on average sober enough compared to that of the 70s and 80s that one could get the impression back then that people tended to look “normal” or that there was “no fashion”.

Leggings were popular in the 80s and more or less disappeared in the 90s with the dispersal of 80s fashion. They came back at the end of the 00s, around 2009. I remember that at that time they were quite popular in Prague; someone I knew from there who was not a big fan of them told me at that time that he had seen even more women wearing them in Brussels (IIRC), and that in many colors/patterns. I can’t say that nowadays I see tons of women or girls of any age in leggings. Now that I’m back in Prague, I see them here and there, but again, not as a prevalent fashion (they are kind of popular in one office I frequent). Back in Canada - the Toronto area, that is, I think I may have seen them a bit more often in recent years.

One good example that came to mind of my point that people nowadays tend to look any way they please: a year ago I saw a woman with a hairstyle that hasn’t been in style in some 30-35 years: what can basically be described as a fe-mullet, feathered all over and spiked on the crown, with bleached tips - something like what Olivia Newton John had circa 1982-3. This woman didn’t look older than about 40, perhaps less, thus not like someone who would have been of an age to have that hairstyle already in the 80s.

Yeah, with leg warmers worn all scrunched down. Leggings with a big top were HUGE in the 80s.

I was at the University of Illinois at about that time, and what you describe sounds familiar. Not in the winter, of course. Minnesota I can’t speak too - and these were all college-aged women.

At least where I live that was the pandemic. Zoom chic is very comfy but looks heinious, particularly from the waist/camera down.

Sacramento barely has winter and I was in high school at the time so the college crowd were probably a bit more restrained. I also wore a lot of hippy style flowy gauze tops and there was a fashion at the time (I personally didn’t get into this one though) of wearing what were called “sizzler” dresses, which were VERY short skirted dresses with short sleeves that came with matching undies because the skirts were just that short. Scandalous! That was more of a cheerleader chick look though. Plus the dresses were always 100% polyester and I can’t wear that, my skin objects.

I agree that there are still trends but there’s less uniformity overall.

I think part of it comes from the availability of previous trends/looks to embrace. I remember when I was in high school in the 90s you could follow current fashionable trends, current alternative trends, or do a “hippie” thing. Some people tried out a country thing thanks to Garth Brooks.

Now you can still do hippie or 90s alternative, emo, country, hip hop, jock (which I feel was current in the 90s), 80s, metal … all those retro styles are for the taking and part of the vast available clothing offerings. There’s even people who rock the pre-60s dapper styles.

Some trends that will definitely be part of the ‘00s-‘10s identifiable styles: tight men’s pants (jeans and suits), large beards on men (often with tight hair styles) and leggings on little girls.

I don’t have any friends whose young daughters will even consider wearing jeans. Leggings only. I don’t know for sure what the boys are wearing but I do know that on my kids’ clothing selling Facebook group, “swish” athletic pants and sweatpants are a hot commodity. I get the feeling boys don’t want to wear jeans either.

It could be related to the tight pants trend for adults. Kids jeans styles might only be tight and kids aren’t having it.

Don’t fashion designers and other insiders, that is, the people who make trends, have their own publications where the next few years are constantly discussed and planned out to a certain extent? What is the current buzz like?

From what I’ve seen personally and in countless photos and films, 1974 jeans and t-shirts were way different from today’s jeans and t-shirts. Just from the terse description, the same, but actually, instantly distinctive and dateable.

How would you dress for a 2000s, 2010s, or 2020s party?

Well, the last one is easy. Some sort of face covering and sweat clothes.

But it’s hard for me to pin down specific fashion trends I could pin down that would identify the decade in the way that a 60s, 70s, 80s or Roarin’ 1920s party does.

90s, you could have women wearing the Rachel haircut and men in grunge T-shirts and flannel.

I recall a brief period of trucker hats and “redneck chiq” clothes in the early 2000s. But I’m not sure that would stand out as “early 2000s” as opposed to “from Alabama or Kentucky”.

More recently, puffy vests from Patagonia or North Face were popular “tech / Wall Street bro” gear. But again, I have one of those vests from the 90s and without context, it just makes you look like someone who shops at an outdoors store.

I was watching the movie Hustlers about Manhattan strippers, circa mid 2000s through the financial crisis. Other than the historical mentions, there’s not much about that film visually that anchors it to those time periods in the way that Oliver Stone’s Wall Street or American Psycho anchors those films to the 80s.

Last night Hitch (2005) was on TV and the only thing that made that film look dated visually were the old 1080 LCD or plasma televisions with wide bezels and pre-iPhone/Android cell phones.

I mean it might be because I’m old. Unless you are in the fashion industry or a teenager/ college student I’m sure most people aren’t hyper-focused on the subtleties of style, fit, etc that distinguish “cool” modern fashion from “so six months ago”.

Some are, some aren’t. The jeans I wore in 1974 are basically the same as the ones I wear today - either straight-legged or bootcut. There might be minor differences, but nothing that would have made them instantly distinctive. Sure , I could have worn bell-bottoms in 1974 and skinny jeans now and those would have been very different- but the type I wear have existed from 1974 until now and although they may not ever have been the most fashionable, they would also have never looked out of place.

This photo is from around 1973- I don’t think the jeans and T shirt instantly date it - although the attache case does. And I’m not even sure what you mean by t-shirts being different in 1974 - were there different graphics/designs on T shirts in 1974 than today? Sure. Did a plain, solid colored T shirt look from 1974 look distinctly different from a plain, solid colored t shirt today- nope.

I think I’ve mentioned this on the Dope before, but every time I watch a rerun of Friends these days I’m struck by how baggy the men’s clothes are. It really did seem like the 90s were decidedly more relaxed fit. It sticks out like a sore thumb. The fashion was a bit more preppy than you’ll usually see today. And with a lot less facial hair.

Amusing I think someone dressing in late 60s fashion would turn less heads than someone dressing in 90s fashion ;). But I do think it’s more acceptable to go your own way these days.

You can really tell the difference in men’s fashion in this comparison shot of the 2003 and 2018 NBA draft class. 2003 was still very late 90s when it came to suits.

In an “alumni” group of my former employers, one of the original dot-com boom companies that existed from 1996-2002, we are currently sharing pictures from those days.

You bet your patootie the clothes and hairstyles in those pictures are cringe inducing. Unlike more recent startups we had wide range of ages at the time, mid-twenties to early -fifties well represented.

Because this was a tech firm, “business casual” was the norm, but that was defined as more dressy and formal than most corporate workplaces now.

I had to Google to figure out what ‘leggings’ were. Oh, those.

I don’t get out much.

Good points! Although, we are talking about fashion (police), and as you point out, the fashionable 70’s jeans were really different from today’s. I don’t think Levis 501s were anything big back then. Also, I have seen loads of 70’s t-shirts that are impossibly skin-tight & orange, brown, yellow etc. with wacky period graphics. Those really stand out, compared to later Tees.

Fashion, for many years, has been about selling more product, encouraging unrealistic ideals, equating brands with status and trying to be cool by capturing trends from niche groups, different cultures or student fads.

Has this changed? Yes and no. Plenty of people choose to reject fashion and wear the same basics. New trends are widely and very quickly copied - and there are only so many ideas. The Internet has led to much splintering of niche groups. The industry itself has been criticized for the social and health sequelae of its ideals - and this has resulted in a degree of change. In Canada, there is also less stigma with recycled used clothing.

There will always be those claiming coolness or willing to judge others for secondary gain. But things are getting more diverse and somewhat better if you ask me.

I don’t think that’s necessarily true.

They are probably “cringe-inducing” because you worked for a late 90s dot com.

I worked for a tech consulting firm in Boston the late 90s and we had to wear suits every day. I asked one of our project managers “why”. He explained that even with the dress code, we had one these guys wearing sneakers, those people cut their own hair, this one guy dressed like Jedi. Imagine if we pulled out all the stops and let everyone dress how they please.

I’m 48 now and I currently work for a tech startup. I find the entire experience “cringe-worthy”. Tech companies live in their own little world. Very little of that world has to do with fashion or style.

There was nothing wild about that company. Almost everyone working there came from suit-wearing corporate backgrounds. The finance and accounting teams came from “Big-6” firms (or however many there were). The sales and marketing folks came from places like IBM and DEC.

I’m not really into fashion much, and I can’t even put my finger on what has changed, but the clothes in those pictures look very dated to me, and to other people commenting on those pictures. I haven’t seen anyone in a sweater vest or a cardigan in the last 10-15 years or so. But twenty years ago you did. Pleated pants also disappeared some time ago.

I remember seeing a photo of dozens of pairs of shoes on the bleachers in a high school gym in the 1950s. There were basically only two styles: one for boys, one for girls. Some pairs had the shoes swapped so the insteps faced out; someone commented that was probably to help the owner find them in the sea of look-alike dress shoes and saddle shoes. I don’t think kids in my lifetime (born in the 80s) have ever had that problem, and not just because we started keeping our shoes on for dances.

I think it’s just odd, subtle little things with color, fabric, cut, etc that slowly change over time.

Take the Polo shirt for example. You would think it’s basically the same shirt worn by frat guys, retail clerks and golfing dads going back to the 70s. But even within the same year, there are subtle differences that determine if you look like a frat guy, retail clerk, or golfing dad.

If I were to wear 2 or more pastel colored Polo shirts on top of each other with some Ray Ban Wayfarer style sunglasses, people would have no question that I’m dressing for an 80s party. I’m not sure how I might apply the same to a 2000s or 1990s party

And yet, as you said, if I look at photos from 10+ years ago, they just look sort of odd.