He wasn’t wrong. Not in the least.
Problem is, what ball did they drop? The Fair Reporting ball? Perhaps the Civil Rights ball? No, I’m afraid the ball they dropped was the Fear and Hate-Mongering Political Power ball. Ooops.
That says a lot more about you then the people wearing a HAT. That like saying if you wear a chavez T-shirt means you’re one step away from killing innocent people.
The Native American walked up to the kid and started banging his drum. Interestingly, he did not go up to the Black Israelites who were screaming racist and homophobic insults and start banging his drum in their faces. His alleged attempt to defuse was aimed at the target of the racist insults, not the perpetrators.
Regards,
Shodan
Boy, you sure have a deep commitment to the First Amendment: “How dare people criticize the President or red hats!”
Are you proposing that your right-wing brothers should be held immune from criticism, on account that they are just representing the white nationalist views of the President and nothing more?
To be fair he didn’t say how big that “one step away” was. But the point is it’s a difference in intensity but not a difference in message - a MAGA hat straight-up says “I’m a racist and I want to drive people out of the country - and I’m proud enough of that fact to emblazon it across my forehead.” That’s the message. And I’m quite certain that everyone who dons such a hat knows that that’s the message.
And it’s a pretty clear, strongly stated message. About the only thing that waving torches and shouting slogans adds is that doing such things is more work - you’re showing effort to indicate you’re willing to back your hateful message with action. But the message itself the hat can deliver on its own.
Which group would have been a bigger problem if it initiated hostilities?
For who? For the old man? For themselves?
For the old man, either group.
For themselves, the young racist, white supremacicts duhhhhh. /s
If any white boy laid hands on the venerable elder, Vietnam-vet war hero Nathan Phillips esq…this shitstorm would have been 100 times worse.
Gee, have you thought of mentioning that to the President? Because he’s the one doing the most to “ratchet up the division in this country”, with his constant social-media smears against Democrats, liberals, non-FauxNews media, and even Republicans who have the temerity to investigate his shady activities.
This is typical of the double standard espoused by so many of today’s conservatives. The Republican President spends most of his “working” time sowing lies, inflammatory accusations, insults and outrage against anyone who doesn’t support him, and conservatives just shrug it off as “Trump being Trump”.
But when a liberal rightly points out that Trump is promoting a hate ideology, and that pro-Trump MAGA gear is a symbol of support for that hate ideology, conservative pearl-clutching knows no bounds. “Oh no! How dare you be so divisive and demonizing against your fellow Americans? Your lack of civility is tearing the country apart!”
Your double standard isn’t fooling anyone, except perhaps yourselves.
No, you’re getting mixed up again. The point I made was that supporting Trump is worthy of being called promoting a hate ideology. I did not say, nor do I believe, that supporting Trump is worthy of being targeted with doxxing and death threats.
Criticizing someone for promoting a hate ideology is not the same thing as advocating for them to be doxxed or threatened. Though considering how indifferent many conservatives have been toward doxxing or threats targeted at liberals by conservatives, I can see how you might perhaps be having trouble telling the difference.
You mean the adults, or the sixteen year olds?
Just off the top of my head, I would think the adults screaming racist insults are already the bigger problem than teenagers in MAGA hats.
Regards,
Shodan
Sure, and I don’t see anybody here trying to claim that the hateful bigoted “Black Israelite” rabble-rousers should get a pass on their vile actions.
But that doesn’t mean that wearing MAGA hats suddenly becomes innocuous or devoid of its own taint of hateful bigotry.
I said “initiated hostilities”. Is it your considered opinion that the adults could have beat down the entire crowd of teenagers?
The whole “screaming racist insults” thing doesn’t bother me, since I consider the act of wearing a MAGA hat to be equivalent to making threats of race-based violence.
Yep, I’ll say that again: I believe that that message on that hat has a meaning, and that it’s not 'we love everyone!"
Yeah, the “what about them” defense usually stops working in early childhood if you have decent parents. That the self titled party of personal responsibility tries to use it all the time is pretty ridiculous.
Death threats and doxxing are what is meant by free speech? Mention a 99.3% nude actress has a nice smile or legs and watch that free speech be blasted. If black Israelites spew bigoted language watch that free speech be ignored. Suggest a child wearing a hat needs to be fed through a wood chipper and watch that free speech be ignored while wearing a hat gets lambasted.
You folks have to realize how godawful this looks. There’s a lot of backpedaling and faux soul-searching occurring now in newspapers, the radio, and tv that wouldn’t need to be happening if people had integrity and intellectual consistency, lol, with regards to respecting everyone’s right to certain fundamental freedom. But intellectual consistency was never the goal.
The goal was to be able to reserve linguistic bludgeons as a political and social weapon to coerce conformity of thought.
You have to realize how godawful your side has looked since summer of '16. You are living in a bubble where you are incapable of seeing how debased and awful the right has been acting for the entirety of Trump’s term. It’s horrifying what your side is willing to normalize these days. You lost your minds when Obama wore a tan suit and used dijon mustard. There is no comparison between the right and the left on godawfulness I’m afraid.
I think everybody recognizes that black Israelites spewing bigoted language are spewing bigoted language that that’s not great - but it’s protected by free speech laws so there’s not much to be done.
With those bigoted MAGA hats, and with inappropriate comments about women, it seems like the people defending these actions (and there are people defending these things) don’t realize there’s anything wrong. Unlike the speech itself which we do nothing about, that ignorance can be corrected. It’s something that something can be done about. So we speak up about it.
As for things like suggesting a kid be put through a wood chipper or nuked from orbit, well, first of all I’m not convinced these sorts of comments are serious. Hyperbole is not something I consider worth hunting down the way ignorance is. Of course actual death threats and doxxing should be (and are!) lambasted and criticized by all sides.
You’re attempting to justify the actions of the racist, yellow dog Democrat, hat-hating mob who chose to attack a teenager who hadn’t done anything wrong. The teenager simply stood there while an old man, and his entourage, attempted to bully him. The old man invaded that teenagers personal space. :eek: ( And we know how progressives hate it when someone invades someone’s space. 
) The teenager didn’t utter a word. And the racist yellow dogs lit up the internet with their ignorance of what actually happened. Hollyweird, and the lame stream media, jumped on board the racist train without bothering to verify if some internet assholes were even stating facts, rumors, or horseshit. I think SSDD rules apply here. The lame stream media-types, the yellow dogs, the Hollyweirdos, and those who are simply haters for the sheer joy of being haters, had a field day attacking a teenager, a white teenager wearing a hat they do not approve of, for doing nothing wrong.
Can anyone translate this for me? He’s making up and misusing words at an unprecedented pace.
Attack? When was there an attack? That appears to be a fabrication on your part. I’m not aware of anyone being attacked in this incident. Was there a police report filed for assault and battery?