So you’re suggesting she set her own car on fire in an effort to fake a hate crime? I guess that’s possible. But the article isn’t just about that one incident. The article just used that as an example; it went on to say there are 2700 other incidents like it.
I suppose it’s possible that all of these cases represent people faking crimes against themselves. My suggestion would be we should keep collected the data about these crimes. If racists are committing these crimes, they should be caught and punished. If people are faking these crimes, then those people should be caught and punished.
But I can’t see any benefit to be gained by not collecting and reporting the data. The only people who would benefit from that are the criminals who go uncaught. And the only people who would support that are people who condone the crimes being committed and want the criminals to remain free.
There’s just as much evidence for the one as the other.
If this is the best example they could find, I am not sanguine about the other 2699 either.
If you mean investigating and reporting this as a crime, sure. What are the advantages of reporting this as a hate crime, and how would you distinguish this from any other crime committed against a black person? As I said earlier, OK, it happened on MLK Day. If that, in and of itself, is enough to trigger a report to the hate crimes database, then maybe every crime committed on Valentine’s Day is a sex crime.
I see that you are going to continue to treat this one small example like the glove in the O.J. Simpson case: “If the example don’t fit, you must dismiss!” You seem to be pretty damn silent about the rest of the article-anything to say about those cities that didn’t do any reporting at all, or Multnomah County(which includes the whole Portland Metro area)? Are we to believe if you can show that “this glove” of yours doesn’t fit, then we can just assume there just aren’t hate crimes to report in all those cities?
You can assume whatever you like. If you are going to suggest that under-reporting of hate crimes is a significant issue, I would expect you to come with some kind of data to indicate that this is so. Got anything like that?
Absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence. It isn’t evidence of presence, either.
Yeah-the article linked to in the OP, and subsequent links found later in the thread. Try reading beyond the one story you’ve glommed onto like a chew toy.
Exactly. So why are you so opposed to gathering evidence? If you really believe hate crimes are being faked, you should welcome the gathering of the evidence that will prove that.
The only people who have a reason to oppose the gathering of evidence are those who suspect the evidence will prove them wrong.
I’ve read the article linked to. Perhaps you may have noticed that I mentioned it in every post I have made to the thread. And I don’t see any links that show examples of, or statistics about, hate crimes that weren’t reported but should have been. Your ADL link doesn’t do that, for instance.
And just to give an answer to your title question -
Aaaaand…playtime with you is now over. If you can’t see the information already given, I see no reason why I should bother to give you any more. There are others here to converse with.
Perhaps you could cite one solitary word I have posted saying that I opposed gathering evidence. You can’t, obviously, so perhaps you can consider instead that I have been asking for evidence over and over again.
Not much so far, I am afraid.
Look, if this is just faith-based, and there are hundreds of Invisible Pink Unicorns out there torching black folks’ Mercedes and covering it up, that’s fine. Just don’t post
and I agree, that you then complain that I am opposed to the data.
It is a bit of a mess. I can tell you that I find it very hard to believe that there have been no hate crimes to report in all of Multnomah County for the last few years-I live in Portland, and keep up on what’s going on here…and while it’s rather laid back, it’s no racial paradise by a long ways.