I found the Hare Krishna version of the Bhagavad-Gita in a hotel room once. I’m still not sure if the HK’s put it there Guideon style or if a guest just left it there. I kept it. Still have it.
Incidentally, Muslims don’t leave copies of the Qur’an in hotel rooms because they don’t want it to be desecrated (even unintentionally) by Non-Muslims. Even doing something like taking it into the can is seen as improper. Muslims have a more sacred view of their book asa physical object than what Christians have of the Bible. Al Qur’an isn’t something to just be given out willy nilly to people who don’t know how to treat it.
Oh no, see it might seem like an attempt an humour but he didn’t mean it to be funny. It’s an insult.
You see 'brows, women are awful. Just awful. I mean, they’re all, like, not men. They’re NOT men. [stage-whisper]They don’t even have penises![/stage-whisper] How crap is that? Just imagine what life would be like if you were not the awesomeness that is male? You would be like, female! Yuck! Everybody knows females are disgusting. Ewww, girls! Did you know you can contract cooties just by sitting in a chair that a girl has previously sat in?
Obviously, a man is the thing to be. So, you know, if you want to insult a guy, you refer to him as something inferior to what he actually is. And we all know women are inferior to men.
Omegaman, buddy, I think it’s time for bed. I know it is for me, and yet I’m awake reading this.
From my memory of your having been here, Valteron, you have always been very strongly against religion. I understand you believe it is the basis for so many wrongs, not least of which is hatred of your and your husband’s way of life. I am sorry, truly, for the pain you have felt when encountering bigotry and hatred.
I also believe you choose to be offended by acts that do not intend offense. I try not to be. When my atheist friends mock my religion to my face, I remind myself that they too have been hurt by hateful people, that they know what it’s like to be mocked. When my pagan friends snark about the evils of the patriarchy I am polite and generally quiet. When that guy I met last weekend treated me like an insect because I was not a Somebody in his organization, I was hurt – I still feel that – but I realize that all his power to hurt me is power I give him. Take away his power and I take away the hurt.
It seems to me that you are seeking opportunities to be offended. I am sad if that is the case: rather, if you will accept my advice, seek the beauty in the growing and swelling of life as spring turns to summer. Let the majesty of the mountains driven by massive sheets of ice millions of years ago overwhelm you. Lie in the cool grass and let the world spin and time pass. Feel the threads of life that tie you to the grass, to the birds, to your husband. Look into eyes that love you, eyes that you love.
And if you feel that you must acknowledge the book you find so abhorrent (really, it’s more the polyester covering on those hotel beds that squicks me, but to each their own) just flip to the Song of Songs. Who can resist such lines as:
Which is pretty hot stuff, if you don’t mind my saying it.
I cant see what the fussis about myself,the vast majority of people wont read it anyway and those who do are that way inclined already ie. a case of literally preaching to the converted.
Or are you trying to get the bible banned all together?
I’m not a religious person myself but cant help but feel that book burning is not usually a good idea on general principles.
Let us be absolutely clear: there is no difference whatever between:
1/ disapproving of the placement of a particular book in every hotel room and
2/ wanting the book to be altogether banned, and indeed burnt.
None. Nada. Zip. To suggest to the contrary would be hysterical hair splitting of the highest order. Indeed, I find it quite hard to even distinguish between these two things.
Add me as another atheist who doesn’t give a shit about the bible being left in hotel rooms. I’ve actually been meaning to buy a bible as I see it as an important historical novel, but I want a really nice one, not some crap the Gideons leave lying around the place. To me, the Gideon’s bibles are just part of the general hotel room “noise” including phone books, brochures, guest service books etc. 99% of the time I don’t even notice they’re there. If you really don’t like it, throw it in the bin.
Don’t bother trying to use what the bible actually says. You should know by now that it means whatever they want it to believe, changing meaning whenever it’s convenient.
Valteron, whilst I agree with the other posters that it won’t actually make them change anything, if you’d feel happier then go ahead and complain. Sometimes it’s worth it just to make a point, even if it won’t have much effect.
Prison term. You know, the inmates who make it known their looking for a man. I wouldn’t have said it but that little star trek loving dick stain has been asking for it for a while now. Hey EE , why don’t you go play with your action figures? Jack off. :rolleyes:
I refer you back to post #64. I also suggest reading the thread. While mind-boggling at times, Valteron’s gibbering does at least serve to bring the educated out of the woodwork, if only to shake their heads sadly.
I refer you further (and reference my own personal beliefs) to the story of Jesus and his journey to heal Jairus’s daughter and the interruption he encountered on the way. It appears in Matthew, Mark, and Luke in similar form.
Here, Jesus heals a woman who has dismenorrhea. This is significant not because she is sick, but because, through no fault of her own, she is ritually unclean. Yet her faith in Christ gives her peace and comfort, and Christ acknowledges that her faith has made her well. This tells me that God’s love is available equally to all who seek it, even those who by accident of birth or physical nature may be “outside.” All are worthy of love and all are loved by God. This, I daresay, is a much more prevalent view of Christianity than “kill the faggots.”
The point of Christ’s mission is to eliminate the barriers between man and God. While some might argue that the Catholic Church has missed that boat to some degree, that’s an argument for another thread. What is important here (and to me) is that Christ’s new Covenant with man is based on two laws only- love God and love my neighbor.
Everyone knows the story of the Good Samaritan- but Samaritans were not known for their peaceful or giving natures- they were involved with the “Jews” in what was essentially a cultural/religious conflict. In the story, plenty of “virtuous” men pass the wounded traveler by, and the only person who takes him in is his “enemy.”
These and other images in the Gospels, particularly the Gospel of Matthew, tell me that in order to love my neighbor, I am to love even/especially those who are unlike me. It is easy to love oneself, and easy to love those who are like me. It is as my neighbor looks less and less like me that it becomes convenient not to love him, but in the end, Christ is in everyone, and thus whatsoever I do or do not do for the least upon earth, I do for Christ.
So, if you’re asking me what I make of a passage in Leviticus, I’ll tell you that what I make of it is that, once upon a time, my spiritual predecessors had in place a system of harsh rules and expectations designed to help them live and worship in a harsher world than the one in which we now live, and my spiritual Brother in Christ replaced those many laws prioritizing necessity with two laws prioritizing love.
Does that suitably answer your question? If it does not, I am happy to either answer it further or discuss it in a separate thread when I have available moments.
Bartender! Two pints of…
of…
whatever stuff he’s drinkin’.
I’m willing to bet that you have absolutely no idea how to even FIND Leviticus, much less what it says. I’m willing to bet further that you’ve never actually studied the Bible, just cherry-picked verses to fuel whatever rage is currently popular with people like you.
Boy, are YOU ever hitching your horse to the wrong wagon.
God bless you, LPN, almost every time you make a post you melt my hard heart. I pray whoever is lucky enough to spend their lives with you knows they have found the woman with the purest heart I, and I suspect a good chunk of this hard world has ever seen. This place needs a love smiley.
It’s just that I constantly stick up for the mods. That is by no means an excuse, I just directed my anger to the wrong person.
Kind of late I know, but you do an excellent job of modding Marley23. I will take your warning to heart.
As for Valteron, your really not worth even talking too. I know your old so the chances of you having a change of heart are nil. Posters here who I’m not even worthy of washing thier feet have been trying for years and can’t even get you to listen to a single thing. Enjoy what little of your life you have left.
You know, for someone who started a thread once about how your life was being ruined because you felt you were less than a man for not standing up to someone who told a racist joke in the presence of a black co-worker, you throw bigoted remarks around pretty well yourself.
