Have the standards of manhood today gone to the dogs?

The BBQ Pit
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There is no need (well, was, he’s dead now) for Roger Ebert or critics like him - these people are writers and either people will pay to be entertained by what they write or not. Similarly, there’s no need for Barney, My Little Pony, The Godfather or any other work of art. They either catch and hold the interest of viewers or they don’t.

And when you are Dictator of Taste, you’ll have the option of putting your opinion into force of law. Until then, all you have is your opinion and while it’s as valuable as anyone else’s, we question its validity, because you say many things that are foolish and ignorant.
As a side note, regarding your seeming affect of speaking beyond your claimed age, I had something like that, too. In my youth, I read a lot of trade paperbacks of MAD Magazine, typically stories that had been published 20+ years earlier, and I’m sure my speaking style was affected by it.

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So you’re saying that Bronies are more likely to look like Marlon Brando than the rest of the population, but that somehow makes them less manly?

Your inability to spell “guarantee” aside, PB isn’t GQ–it doesn’t have fashion articles.

That said, the articles it does have are often worth picking up a copy of the magazine for. Even a lot of the people opposed to the smuttier aspect (some of whom vehemently boycott the company) often acknowledge that point.

Not that you have any grasp on history (as you’ve shown), but the Playboy interview with then-Presidential candidate Jimmy Carter back in the 70’s told the American public a lot more about him and his values as a man than had been seen prior. His comments from that interview came up in the debates and were widely reported by other, more mainstream, media outlets.

They routinely feature full, in-depth interviews with news makers, even those outside the realm of pop culture celebrity. The likes of Hunter S. Thompson, Margaret Atwood, Miles Davis, Stanley Kubrick, and even MLK Jr have participated.

And that’s the just the interviews–they’ve also published stories from authors like Truman Capote, Kurt Vonnegut, Arthur C. Clarke, and others.

So, while you didn’t set out to do it, inadvertently drawing a comparison between the quality of Playboy articles and MLP was likely a pretty bad idea, unless you intended to say that the latter is only routinely trashed by the uneducated & the ignorant, as everyone who actually pays attention knows better & realizes that it’s actually a historically relevant & culturally important piece of work.

You, on the other hand, also qualify as a “piece of work”, though you’re neither historically relevant nor culturally important.

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Actually, that a folk etymology–the term originated from fans on the 4chan /b/ forum.

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And what is your point? I never criticized the quality of the articles, just argued that arguing that most people read Playboy for the articles is… intellectually dishonest. Personally I find Playboy a cut above smut magazines like Hustler as well as pretty much any internet porn, but I’m not a regular subscriber. Quality was far better in the 1970s or so than it is today anyway.

That’s all well and good, but you’ve still failed to produce any notable critic who has claimed the show MLP is on par with Playboy in terms of quality of writing or production.

If you’re going to use me for a source comparing the quality of MLP to that of Playboy’s writing then that’s… ironic.

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And for the record, the show was well-received by critics.

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Out of curiosity, is a fan interest in My Little Pony less healthy than, say, a fan interest in professional sports (specifically an interest, not a desire to participate by playing sports, I should specify), and by what metric would such be established?

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So I assume you have stats and figures to back that up?

As I pointed out, the quality is such that there are plenty of people who would do so. For you to call them liars, I assume you have actual evidence.

It’s ironic that I used a comparison that you drew to discuss a comparison that you drew?

I don’t think you understand irony.

Actually I don’t think you understand much of anything, but I can prove the irony part.

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The Playboy models definitely looked more natural back then:

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Well received by the standards of children’s shows or by the standards of “Breaking Bad”? Apples to oranges. Critics reviewing children’s shows aren’t reviewing them by the same standards that they’re reviewing adult-oriented shows.

Just like how critics who review pop music aren’t comparing it to classical symphonies in terms of musical depth, they’re comparing it to similar music which is on the market.

So no, you’ve still failed to substantiate the claim that notable critics are comparing MLP to Breaking Bad or Mad Men in terms of depth, sorry.

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I don’t have stats and figures to back up the fact that most people who visit Pornhub don’t do so as part of their graduate level theological studies . but I have… intellectual honesty.

And be honest, no one would accuse and obese neckbeard on 4chan with erotic drawings of characters from a cartoon written for little girls as possessing ‘depth’ or insight to begin with.

But my arrogant opinions aside, you guys who are claiming that critics are comparing MLP to Breaking Bad are still welcome to source this information instead of just presenting your own optimistic opinion of the show as fact.

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Did someone actually make that claim, or are you just suggesting the claim is implied?
Not that it really matters - I can see conditions for valid comparisons, albeit limited ones since MLP/Barney has a different target audience than BB/MM.

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I don’t think that that hair is natural.

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Well no crap…

That’s the point, if you like a show written for children just own up to it, instead of trying to argue it’s really written for people who watch shows like Breaking Bad… geez…

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No one made that claim, genius.

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I have to disagree with the last two words. You have something, but that ain’t it.

What possible benefit could Pornhub serve a theological grad study?

By contrast, as I’ve already explained to you, even PB’s staunch critics acknowledge that it has articles on par with any major literary magazine & interviews that are better than those found in other news sources.

Pornhub’s point is porn–that isn’t true for PB, regardless of how many times you want to insist that it is.

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You feel that it’s true, therefore it must be, right?

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And what’s the deal with this new “Everybody Loves Raymond” show all the kids are talking about?!

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Well, if you’re going to be this determinedly stupid, you invite people to cite facts that are obvious because it’s unclear if you know these facts or not.

Who is so arguing? Though as a random observation, if an adult can watch and appreciate what is ostensibly a children’s show… so what? Regardless of who the intended audience was supposed to be, the product has found an audience beyond that.

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I am in my mid-fifties (and have a fucking handlebar mustache, not a hipster ironic handlebar mustache but a real John L. Sullivan manly-man mustache and you don’t get more manly than that) and I find it difficult to believe that a twenty-something year old has any opinions about the relative value of 1970s “men’s magazines.”

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Dude, you need to get out of the house more.

Aqua Teen Hunger Force is no longer being made.
The Proposal was from 2009.
Everyone Loves Raymond ended in 2005.
The Man Show ended in 2004.
And Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson stopped using the term ‘bronie’ in 2004.

When come back, please have use current references.