Have You Ever Personally Known A Murderer?

I knew a boy who led a gang of three to commit double murder.

In elementary school he’d come knock on our door around 6 a.m. to ask my brother to play.
My mother never liked him and after a while told my brother he couldn’t come around any more.

Turns out he was coming over so early because that was when his drug-addicted parents kicked him out of their suburban home every morning. They didn’t want him seeing them using drugs before school.
They did not realize he knew about their habits and had full access to their stash.

Two years later he led two other kids - older than him – as they broke into a house where a couple was supposed to be on vacation. They murdered the elderly couple.

They were caught because after a few days, they started bragging about their escapade to other students.

Yes. Like others, I had to read through to make certain I hadn’t already replied. Actually, I wasn’t surprised to see that I hadn’t, because it isn’t something I talk about.

He was a member of my extended family, not a blood relative. As a young child, I adored him. He was abused horribly by his father, and a lot of people knew, and looked the other way. It was the 1970s, the concept of child abuse was just starting to form in public minds (I remember being stunned to learn it was actually illegal, and I recognized even then that only the lucky kids got help from the police), and anyway I think people were afraid of his father. But he actually protected me from his father, knowing what would happen to him as a result. This was something no one else was doing.

I was about 10 when he killed someone. It was just a completely motiveless thing. It made no sense. There were people who believed he had taken the fall for his father, that he was so afraid of his father, or so desperate to escape him, that he confessed. I don’t know. It upended my world. It changed everything for me. I remember later, maybe a year or two, someone pointed out a teenage boy, telling me he was the brother of the man who was murdered. It may or may not have been true. But I remember seeing this teenage boy, and feeling a rush of emotion that I later recognized as empathy.

That someone I loved so much, someone who protected me at great cost–and I can still hear his screams–could kill another person for no reason at all is still something I’m coming to grasp with.

A guy I knew in high school was convicted of double murder a couple years after graduation.

He was a tall guy in a few of my classes. Was about the only person I knew at the time that could give me a run on useless (and useful) trivia. The two of us were on a Intermeral Trivia team with 2 other people and we dominated. The two of us answering about 97% of all the questions!

I saw the guy about a month before the murders at a logging industry golf tournament (he worked at a tire shop), he seemed pretty happy go lucky normal.

Anyway I guess a month later he did a home invasion type robbery in a town an hour away to get money for drugs and killed the elderly couple execution style.

Totally crazy.

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I met him when he worked in the Denmark St job centre. He set me up with a couple of job interviews. Months later I saw his picture on TV and thought “I know that guy”, turned up the volume and found out just what he’d done.

I thought he was a perfectly nice on the couple of occasions I met him in his work capacity.

This is one of those “only in the South” kind of stories. My own little Southern Gothic.

The Murderer in question was my Grandmother’s maid, a woman named Eva. And I came to love her dearly, in a very strange way. To tell the story backwards, myself and a handful of other cousins would spend the Summers at my Grandmother’s big old farmhouse. Eva would be left in charge of the house and us, and we were deathly afraid of her because all we knew was that Eva had been in Milledgeville (where the State Mental Hospital was located) for killing her husband with an ax. :eek: (And as a quick aside: Eva used whatever bathroom in that house she damn well pleased, and nobody thought a thing in the world about it, so please don’t think this is a story that is going to resemble The Help in any way.)

Now Eva was a big woman, and don’t mean fat, I mean just large, tall, broad-shouldered…a very imposing figure. She had a badly repaired hare lip and and she smoked filterless cigarettes. So needless to say, she had no trouble keeping us in line. She was a woman of few words, but she did have a wicked sense of humor, and I came to appreciate much later the influence she had over my life. Despite the fact that I was scared of her, I was always skulking around in Grandmother’s kitchen when everyone else had run off outside, to see what she was doing because she was the local Root Woman and she would make up these little poultices in cheesecloth bags that stunk to Holy Hell, but I was so curious about them! People would come to the back door and buy these from her, and when she thought I had seen too much she would lock me in the big walk-in closet butler pantry thing and I would just spy on her through the key hole until she would let me out. There are many things I could say about her, but I want to keep the story as brief as a tale like this can be, so…

Eva could do no wrong in my Grandmother’s eye, and Eva was fiercely loyal to her. They had a very interesting relationship. When Grandmother, who was a very proper buttoned-up, hat, purse & gloves kind of lady, would leave for the day, she would say, “Now don’t do anything to upset Eva, you know she is nervous.” and when she would come home, I would try to tell on Eva for putting me in the closet, Grandmother’s reply was, “Well, you shouldn’t have made her nervous.” She had no problem leaving her grandkids with an ax murderer all day.

My years of growing up with Eva around date from the late 60s when I was very little all through the 70s until I left home in the early 80s. While I was in college Eva died. We all went to her funeral, and I was really broken up about her passing, more than I expected to be. Afterwards, an uncle of mine finally filled me in about the mysterious backstory.

In the early 60s Eva was married to worthless man who liked to smack her around. Now I already said Eva was a big woman, so I would hate to see the man who could bully her, he must have been a giant. So one night, Eva fixed up a potion and he fell into a stupor. While he was passed out in a chair, she went to the shed and got an ax and then just buried it in his skull. Fairly split his head in two. The first person she went to was my Grandmother. Now, we are talking early 60s, Deep South, pre-civil rights era. There is no such thing as Battered Woman Syndrome, and it could have easily been argued that this was premeditated murder, and she is surely going to be tried by an all-white jury. Grandmother wouldn’t even allow the Sheriff to put in Eva jail until the trial, she stayed at Grandmother’s house.

My Uncle said that Grandmother hired a big-city lawyer out of Atlanta and they got her off on a temporary insanity plea and instead of going to prison, she did 3 years in Milledgeville, and boom, came right back home and went right back to work for my Grandmother again.

I have always found it so intriguing that these two women, so very different from each other and in such different social circumstances, truly cared about each other so much. There was some kind of connection between them, as women. I like to imagine what their private conversations must have been like.

There’s actually a good bit more to it, but I have run on long enough. I have toyed with the idea of writing all my experiences with Eva and Grandmother up into a series of short stories or something, their story is too good to be lost.

But if I had to know a murderer, I am glad it was Eva.

I have a large extended family on my mother’s side. My mother has three sisters who have all been married multiple times and have had multiple kids. In total, on just her side, I have 10 first cousins. In the summers, my parents would throw us kids in the car and drive us up to visit her large family. We would say with various aunts and grandparents for a large part of the summer and, in that time, I got close with my cousins. We would play together and what not. Many of them were older than me but I had one “uncle” (aunts child adopted by my grandparents) and his bio-brother close to my age that I played with the most. I did not like my uncle very much but my other cousin was kind to me, if not a bit rough at times. He was not treated kindly by my aunt’s many boyfriends and husbands. When he was 16, he committed a minor offense and when to juvie. His mother basically disowned him at that point. When he was 19, he dated a minor and was convicted of rape and sexual misconduct with a minor. As he got older, he spent more and more time in jail and less time out. But, for a long time, I felt he was merely a man who had been “institutionalized” and was a victim of his mother’s bad parenting and the abuse of her many lovers.

When my great grandmother died in the middle of last year, we saw each other again after many years. I gave him a big hug and smiled when I saw him. It had been a long time and I was still fond of him. Then, a couple months ago, my sister texted me a news story. Turns out, my cousin, who I loved, was a white supremacist and stabbed a man to death for being black. In fact, he wasn’t even arrested for that act. He confessed to it after being picked up for failing to register as a sex offender at his new address.

Looking back, he didn’t have the usual signs. But his bio-brother, my “uncle” definitely did. He wet the bed well past 10 years old. He’d start fires for funsies and almost burned my parent’s house down. If my cousin is capable of such brutal act, I shutter to think what my “uncle” might be capable of.

The Dr who was my allergist when I was just out of college was later convicted of murdering his wife by stabbing while jogging around a pond. His name was “Dirk.”

PLEASE write your story!!

Thanks for reading and I appreciate your saying that. Sorry to resurrect an old thread, and didn’t mean to ghost anybody so rudely by not replying, I have just been taking a media break and dealing with some of the immediate people in my life, who frankly, I am beyond frustrated with right now.

As a matter of fact, I am getting ready to start a thread about it here right shortly. I have some some thoughts I simply have to vent about regarding what it is like to be Liberal Southern Belle surrounded by people I love deeply, but despite my best efforts, can’t see how misguided they are.

When I was a kid, our family doctor was the nicest guy you would ever meet.

When I was in high school, he suddenly closed his practice, and left town. A couple of years later, the newspaper reported that he was arrested for murder.

Apparently, a couple of decades earlier, he had shot his best friend, and married the widow.

Older brother of my best friend. Don’t know any details as it was years after I’d seen the guy.

Not a murderer, but a guy I worked with was convicted of banging (and impregnating) his adopted daughter. 30 yr. sentence.

This has a familiar ring to it.

I know two kids who killed other motorists in accidents. One was drunk, the other just didn’t see the person.

You mentioned murder, and I don’t know that I’d consider either as murderers, although driving while drunk and mowing down bicyclists comes pretty close. I’m only mentioning them because you also mentioned accidental, and neither of the kids hit the other people deliberately.

The one kid I had just seen a day or so before, and I was shocked and stunned. He left the scene, went home, and his dad brought him back. He is in jail now.

The other is an eighteen-year-old girl, and I’m not sure what will happen to her. She was getting off the interstate, thought the coast was clear, and merged into a guy on a motorcycle. Very sad.

Well, shoot. I just saw this was from 2009. I wish that all threads over a year old came with an asterisk or something to alert the dullards like me who don’t check the dates before posting.

I also needed to check to make sure I had not posted back in 2009 when this thread was fresh. I see I did not - probably because this is more my parents’ story than my own, and my mother was still alive then. Now that both of my parents are gone, I can tell the tale:

My parents retired to the Mexican town that Perry and Arthur March lived in following the murder of Janet March. My dad had coffee and donuts with Arthur - knowing full well who he was - nearly every morning as part of a group of men who met regularly there. He (my dad) had little to say about Arthur, but clearly relished the connection and always told visitors who he was having coffee with.

My parents did not know Perry as intimately, but did cross paths with him at times. My mother would gleefully discuss bussing him - it clearly gave her a frisson of perverse delight to be kissing a known murderer.

As for me, I never knew Arthur but I encountered Perry at his restaurant, where he spoke briefly with us and did a few chores in the dining area as we ate lunch. This was because my mother kind of wanted to “show off” her murderous connections to me.

Yeah, my parents were kinda weird about stuff like that. I have a very morbid sense of humor and I know exactly where I got it from.
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That’s him! I had not heard that he had died.

Weirdly, I flipped on Forensic Files yesterday evening and they were featuring the case.

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Would I be wrong to assume that if she were sober and otherwise driving legally (in possession of a valid license, etc), that nothing will happen to her, at least criminally speaking?

I had a good friend in elementary school who was close enough to spend the nigh at my house, and have me stay at her house. Her father was in prison, and her mother had run off, so she lived with her grandmother. Most kids weren’t allowed to play with her, but my mother didn’t believe in judging people by their relatives.

Anyway, unknown to me, or any of us at the time, but her uncle, who traveled a lot, and stayed with them when he was in town (and had a Ph.D, so my mother respected him) was molesting her. One day, when she was in high school, she’d had enough, and got one of her father’s hunting rifles and killed her uncle.

It was before battered women’s syndrome was a defense, and she got 5-15 in the women’s prison for IIRC voluntary manslaughter. She had mostly good behavior, and got paroled, so she served only something like 3 years. I wrote to her when she was in prison. I still get a Christmas card from her. She had a bad first marriage, but a very good second one. She and her second husband turned a kind of trashy trailer park into a community with a clubhouse, and a softball team, and kids’ programs, and a neighborhood watch. They raised money for a swimming pool and a playground, and have a long waiting list of people wanting into their community.

She got her diploma in prison, and an AA degree in business management after she got out. So she really got her shit together.

She applied for a pardon from the governor, on the basis of the battered women’s defense not being available to her; it’s still being litigated. I’d give character testimony if asked.

I’m proud to call her my friend.