Health insurance and the free market

One of the recurring subarguments in the various raging health care debates of late has been some people saying that health insurance should be left up to the free market and some saying that the free market shouldn’t be involved in health insurance at all, along with various positions in between. A few actual debating points have been tossed around, but I haven’t seen a thread devoted specifically to this issue, so I figured I’d start one.

I’m strongly the side that is opposed to a free market for health insurance, at least if it’s anything like the way it’s implemented in the US, and I’ll explain why. First of all, though, I’m NOT against free markets in general. I mean, I support anti-monopoly laws and things like the FDA, yada yada yada, but I’m firmly convinced that a lightly-regulated free market economy, as we mostly have in the US, is the best kind possible; and I think that recent history generally bears that out.

But I don’t think that should apply to health insurance. Why?

(One clarification: by “health insurance” I mean, “the ability to generally pay for health care”, even though various possible plans aren’t really “insurance” at all.)

(1) Health insurance is (arguably) a necessity, not a luxury. Compare the health insurance market to the sports car market. If whatever economic system produces sports cars results in a society in which 5% of the population own sports cars, that’s cool. And if it results in a society in wihch 95% of the population own sports cars, well, that’s cool too (I mean, assuming they all actually want sports cars). That’s very different from health insurance. A society in which only 5% of the population has health insurance, is one that is in a state of catastrophic failure. When we hear about poor third-world countries where only 30% of the population has access to clean water, we tut tut and shake our heads sadly. But is that really any different? My point is: for non-necessity goods, there is no “right” amount of access to that good for the society as a whole to have. The market and supply/demand determine a price for sports cars, and whoever can afford them can afford them. But health insurance is different.

(2) In health insurance, there is a direct economic incentive for the insurance company to, for want of a better word, screw some of its customers. If I’m a customer of a car company, there’s not some weird thing that’s going to happen that suddenly causes the car company to lose millions of dollars on the transaction. But with health insurance, there is. At which point, it’s clearly in the company’s best financial interest, at least in the short term, to find some way to deny that coverage. It’s well worth it for a company to drop $20,000 of billable lawyer or employee hours poring over every piece of paperwork ever filed by that customer if there’s a good chance that doing so will result in a justification for refusing to pay millions of dollars in medical bills.

I’m not saying that corporations are automatically evil or heartless, although that’s an interesting discussion. I’m saying that any system in which a company’s bottom line financial interest is directly opposed to customer’s health and happiness is a system in which the free market will not result in good. (That’s one of the reasons that pollution has been so much of an issue and required so much regulation etc. If dumping toxic crap in the river is cheaper than doing something “better” with it, companies will do so until there’s a reason not to.)

This, by the way, is one of the big differences between health insurance and, for instance, car insurance. Car insurance has a MUCH lower variability of payout, from the insurer’s perspective. Most accounts will need no payout, a few will need a few thousand, a smaller few will need the entire price of a car. Compare that to medical insurance most will need nothing, a few will need a few hundred or thousand, and a smaller few will need truly massive amounts.

(3) (This one has nothing to do with a hypothetical free market, but relates specifically to the way things work in the US.) Right now, given how health insurance is so frequently linked to employers, the “customer” of health insurance isn’t actually a person, it’s a corporation’s HR department.

I had an interesting experience lately: I own a home in an HOA, and I needed to get a copy of the pool key. So I drove off to the property management company’s offices, and the service there was just comically bad. They didn’t accept either credit cards OR cash! WTF!!! I had to drive around to find a place to get a money order, all to pay way too much money for a pool key copy. “This is ridiculous, how can a place with such idiotic policies stay in business”, I thought to myself. Then I realized… I (as an individual) am not the consumer of their product. The HOA (as an organization) is. If I have a bad experience there, I can’t just go start buying that service from somewhere else. Sure I could eventually rile up enough sentiment in the HOA to possibly change vendors (even assuming there’s another one in the area), but that’s a ton of work on my part, and it might not ever work if the prices this company offers are cheap enough. The moral of the story being: the free market provides at least some pressure to provide good service, but that pressure is enormously diluted if the buying decisions are not being made by the person who is actually experiencing the lack of good service.

Similarly, the health insurance I have (which, in fairness, I’ve had fine experiences with… but then, I haven’t had any serious problems) is really not something that I was the customer for. Rather, the customer was my company’s HR department, meaning that the bottom line pure-cheapness is going to be vastly more important and any complaints anyone has are going to be diluted by having to go through another entire layer.

(4) The whole preexisting condition thing. Now, “preexisting conditions” have become somewhat of a codeword for “insurance companies are evil”, but it’s more complicated than that. So let’s say I do everything right and, at the age of 20, research all the various insurance options available, and pick a plan which fits my needs, and start paying my premiums. At age 25, I develop diabetes or some similar expensive lifelong condition. At this point, the free market totally ceases to function for me. Presumably I can continue to have my initial plan that I already chose, and keep paying the premiums (assuming they’re not going to try to screw me). But suppose I do some more research and realize “hey, the company I’m with has gotten much worse over the past 5 years, but this other company here is really good”. Well, if I want to go get insurance with that other company, then we hit the preexisting condition problem. They’re 100% guaranteed to lose money if they sell me a health insurance policy at the normal rate. So why would they? But if they wouldn’t, then I’m locked into one insurance company for life. Which means that of course there’s no incentive for them to treat me well at all, because I’m stuck. And of course, in the US, it might also mean I’m locked into the job I currently have forever, and if I get laid off I’m totally fucked.

(5) I admit I’m getting in a bit over my head, economics-wise and actual-knowledge-of-the-insurance-industry-wise, but there’s one other point which I find at least somewhat relevant. So going back to the car industry as an example, how does a car company make more money? Well, a bunch of kind of generic ways that apply to just about any industry (advertising, brand loyalty, customer service, etc.). But, at some level, car companies sell more cars and make more money when they make better cars. There’s a strong incentive for car companies to improve their cars, and the cars that are for sale together are WAY better, in any number of different ways, than those for sale 10 or 30 or 50 years. In fact, this is one of the clearest advantages of a capitalistic system. The cars produced in communist countries back when there were communist countries were generally viewed as POS jokes, because they were terrible and there was very little incentive for anyone to innovate.

Compare that to the health care insurance industry. What innovations or advancements or progress does the health care insurance industry come up with? What’s the equivalent in the health care insurance industry to airbags or hybrid cars? Note that I’m not talking about the health care providers themselves, who (much as we liberals like to mock big pharm) are, partly out of pure economic self interest, working hard to come up with new ways to treat various things. But what possible innovations are there in health insurance? Sure there are a few things like computerizing record keeping and so forth; and in theory providing superior customer service; but, fundamentally, the major innovations that health care insurance companies seem to come up with involve lobbying for more loopholes and coming up with new ways to deny claims. And this is not because they’re evil or lazy, it’s because there really isn’t any other way for them to innovate or distinguish themselves from other insurance companies… particular when they are employer-linked. It’s kind of like Coke and Pepsi… they’re spending billions to wrest bits of market share from each other, but their basic products never really change. Except that if Coke or Pepsi is going about things a bit unethically it doesn’t ruin lives.

One innovation I can think of is managed care. This is a way to analyze outcomes and determine what the most cost-effective way of providing them is. The folks taking in the money are not typically going to do this, but the folks paying out billions will.

I used to work at a medical information tech company, that allowed companies to analyze their medical claims data. They used to give free doctor’s office visits for seniors (ie, no copay). What happend was, a lot of the seniors in the area were lonely, and would just go to the doctor’s office for some companionship. This would cost the insurance company 100 bucks per visit. Without someone at the company analyzing and managing the care, this sort of thing slips through and you have improper utilization.

Also, many insurance plans no longer require a referral to go to a specialist. They learned that 99% of the time, the specialist visit was granted and approved anyhow, and all it did was waste the PCP doc’s time and generate additional paperwork. So, in my plan, I can see a specialist if I want, but the copay is higher.

My biggest problem with the UHC movement (and I do think it has some good points) is that is still misses the overarching point that if you’re giving stuff out for free, people are going to overuse it. And if they have no real connection to the actual cost, they will overuse it even more. This custs both ways, of course. I take meds that cost, in 2 years, what surgery to eliminate my problems would cost. And I have taken them for 10 years, because surgery would basically take some of my parts out, and I would like to keep all my parts as long as possible. But if I were footing the bill directly, I might opt for the surgery instead of spending 30K a year on meds, which might be a bad decision regarding research into meds that could finally remove my problem altogether, and allow me to keep my parts, too :slight_smile:

I mentally dismiss the ‘free market’ argument for health care because I don’t see it as being driven by free market forces.

Expounding. Free market transactions are characterized by the market of consumers meeting with the market of producers and banging out a maket price between them due to the opposing forces of supply and demand finding a functional equilibrium. The consumer wants the product, so it offers more money to get it, and the supplier wants the business, so it lowers price to match. Neither group has any other way besides compromizing on price to get what they want, so a price is hashed out and market forces control supply and resource allocation and all the other nifty stuff market forces handle for us.

When you throw insurance into the works, though, this model breaks down. The consumers still want the lowest price, which will always (seem to) come from the insurance company, assuming the insurance company promises to shield you from the fear of massive medical liability in the future. The suppliers of health care are no longer are bartering (much) with the consumers directly, and so are not faced with the same kind of downward price pressure that happens if nobody can afford or bring themselves to pay the price of that MRI - the insurance companies at least are capable of paying any price. And then in the middle are the insurance companies.

The insurance companies, if honest, would be in the business of acting as a proxy supplier to the consumers, and as a proxy consumer to the suppliers: their entire purpose in life would be to smooth out the distribution of costs. (And, er, skimming a profit.) So, rather than going all your life never using a doctor and then suddenly getting slammed with a $100,000 fee, you’d instead pay five thousand twenty dollar fees as you go. This system has the downside that you lose some of the free market pressures that set a decent market price - if all the doctors decide to double the price for an MRI, the insurance can’t just decide not to get the MRI the way a consumer can - they can try and set a ‘reasonable’ price by contract and fiat, but that’s not market pressure in the same sense.

Of course, this assumes that the insurance pays out. With the high price of medical insurance, there’re big gains to avoid paying the big payouts, while still charging the populace the same anyway. And there are ways to do this - putting the insurance in a unique position where they don’t fit any part of the market model: their goal is to get something for nothing, where possible, shoving their costs off to the supposedly insured patient. When this occurs it often results in the patients having bought something that they thought was already paid for and then getting stuck with the bill a second time - sometimes without even the opportunity to think about choosing not to consume. To me that looks like complete market breakdown.

The final nail in the coffin here is the situation where medical insurance is offered through employers. The employers can pay more, raising the market price of insurance itself artificially higher - and any vestige of choice about which insurance company to use is removed from the employee’s hands. Fortunately for them, the companies that offer insurance have incentive to get a plan that is at least somewhat attractive to employees, since the whole point of offering it is to make working for them more attractive - but to a certain degree the details of the insurance are masked from the final customer, and the company has a different reaction to the threat of an employee being injured than the employee does, which will inevitably result in at least some market distortion.

So, in my non-economist view, arguing that heath care should be left to the free market is a joke - what we have in no way resembles a free market, and lacks several of the mechanism and resultant effects on price, supply, and demand that make free markets useful.

If you have some actual studies or numbers to back up this theory of overuse in countries with UHC, I’d love to see it. I have been unable to find anything. When I search, I just get articles onoveruse of testing and procedures in the US.

I just don’t get it. I have health insurance, and I have enough income that $5 or $20 copays are effectively “free”, within moderation. Yet I never go to the doctor. I hate going to the doctor. Everyone hates going to the doctor.

Sure, if you give out free plasma TVs to all Americans and have society foot the bill, it’s going to be a madhouse. But why on earth would people go out of their way to get more medical care than they really need to? (I mean, sure there are probably a fringe of crazies with medical fetishes, or hard core hypochondriacs, or what have you… but that’s the exception rather than the rule.)

Didja read the bit about old folks and specialists in the OP?

You might in particular be able to appreciate going to the specialist, if it’s literally no more expensive to you to get the guy with mad skilzz.

Yes. Medical care is rather weird economically, because it’s a product that people need, but at the same time don’t actually want. So yes, I wouldn’t expect overuse to be a significant problem even with unlimited free care.

On the other hand, the “let the free market sort it out” strategy fails ( among other reasons ) because people who are presented with the choice of “pay or die”, will pay regardless of the price. Just how “free” is that kind of market?

It’s as free as any other - in the absence of insurance. Let’s all keep in mind that a free market is one dictated by supply and demand curves - and demand curves need not be particularly elastic, and their elasticity can be dictated solely by ability of the populace to pay, if it comes to that. If that’s the way things are, then the market is still free, and the market price would be the one where the price is as high as it can get before pricing so many people out of the market that the loss of sales costs more than the increase in profit from the increased price.

Now, obviously at this point a lot of people are dying due to having been priced out of the market. If this is undesireable to you, then you probably don’t want to ask the free market to take care of resource distribution for your country’s medical care. But that’s a whole separate issue from our current insurance system which is nothing like a free market in the first place.

I think that is why I have never heard of a system in a country with UHC where a patient can just pop in and see a specialist any old time they want.

By that logic, robbing someone at gunpoint is an example of the free market. They can choose just to be shot after all.

Welcome to economics!

More like “welcome to diluting a phrase until it doesn’t mean anything”. A “free market” with coerced buyers makes about as much sense as forced volunteerism.

In fact, I regard this as a major problem that the fans of deregulation and free-markets-at-any-cost like to ignore; you don’t need government regulations to kill the free market, to the extent it exists at all. All sorts of things, including purely economic factors can eliminate free markets. A situation where you must buy, and either have no choices or no good way to make a decision between any options there are is in no practical sense free.

There is a chance I’m wrong about the meaning of the term in economics (and it is a technical term with a specific meaning) - but I don’t think so. I think you are the one “diluting” the term, since if I’m right about the economics meaning of the term, then it clearly is the source of the term in common speech and is the original undiluted definition.

Now, I admit that there may be subtleties to the usage of the term “free market” in economics that I’ve forgotten or was never introduced to, and the effect of the mafia distorting market forces through additional persuasion may be capable of turning it into a non-free market system (though I doubt it, since monopolies don’t*). However I’m not inclined to take your say-so about it, since you appear unaware even that “free market” as a term was economics’ baby in the first place.
*presuming they don’t use extra-market tactics to exclude other sellers. Which may be the argument for your criminals - if you can’t choose which criminal to give all your money too, that might indeed be a breakdown of the free market.

I just want to state that I think it is important to separate Health Insurance from Health Care. Health Care providers (Doctors, Hospitals, Labs, but mostly Health Care Corporations) set the price. Health Insurance then prices the risk. I’ve heard enough recently to sympathize more with Health Insurers trying to manage rising Health Care costs for the consumer. I see Health Care as a bigger issue.

In my perfect world Health Insurance would not be the primary mechanism for financing Health Care. They just get in the middle and obscure the true economics, eliminating market pressures. In a non-insurance market, health care is paid for by the consumer. India is one example I have heard described by my immigrant co-workers. One result they see is that doctors are not wealthy and health care is cheap.

However, I recognize that there needs to be a mechanism in place for costly catastrophic care. I see this as where Health Insurance has a role.

I think you mean something other than “The OP”, as I wrote the OP and it had nothing to do with old folks and specialists.

Whether or not a medical clinic lets people make direct appointments with specialists, and in what contexts and for what specialists, seems like an issue for the medical clinic itself to sort out, and is fairly tangential to whether insurance is involved or not. Maybe if you could make direct appointments with specialists, the allergy specialists and dermatologists would get flooded, but the GI tract guys wouldn’t. In that case, it would make sense to require a referral for the first two categories. But again, I really don’t see what that has to do with this discussion.
What I thought I was responding to here was the claim that if something is free, people will take more of it than they need. Which, with a few possible exceptions (cosmetic surgery? therapeutic massage?) seems entirely counterintuitive when it comes to medicine. (And besides, that’s really not discussing my OP at all, but rather the efficacy of a UHC system. And all such discussions should begin by asking how the countries that currently have UHC do it.)

Which brings up our Anthem scandal in California, where they want to raise rates 39% for individual purchasers.

The reason they give is interesting. Increasing rates have driven relatively healthy people out of the market, since they no longer are seeing a benefit. This leaves them with a population of relatively sicker people, who are getting skewered. Now, in a free market you’d expect these people to leave, but since they often have pre-existing conditions they are locked in, and Anthem effectively has monopoly power in setting their rates.

I haven’t read what the healthier people are doing. They might be going to a newer insurance company without the legacy of sick people, or they may be out of the market and uninsured altogether. This leaves Anthem pricing itself out of the market, as they can’t keep up with the actual costs of their insured population because of regulatory backlash or those who can’t get out but who aren’t immediately sick drop out of the market, or cut their coverage so much they are at risk of eventual bankruptcy.

Notice that this dilemma is not the result of anyone being evil. It is the result of a reasonably deregulated market.

If everyone had to buy insurance, and everyone had to accept customers with pre-existing conditions people would change insurance looking for the cheapest, and there would be downward pressure on prices and thus more incentive for efficiency.
Managed care is certainly one option which should work.

There are tons of ways to improve. If Granny is lonely and wants to come in too often, figure that out and let her see a nurse, not a doctor, for screening.

What I’d been wondering is if health care coverage became unattached to employment then people might be a lot less afraid to leave their jobs to start their own business. This might stimulate the economy in unexpected ways since a small business doesn’t have the purchasing power of a wholesaler and will end up going to places like Staples and paying retail, thus throwing more money into the economy.

Health care should not be a for profit enterprise. If you have a product people are forced to use to survive, you can charge what ever you want. You can deliver what ever you want. The pressure is all for higher prices and less delivery. There is nothing fighting for lower prices and nothing forcing insurance companies to do a better job. It is a perfect mess , Unless you are in the health business, then it is a license to steal.

Definitely. The current system also gives a boost to big employers who let those with pre-existing condition join the plan, vs small employers who may not. Anyone with a pre-existing condition especially would be crazy to start off on their own.

I feel the best equivalent is public education. A healthy population is a benefit to society overall just like an educated population is. So public health care should be provided to people who can’t afford it on their own just like public schools are.