That is too bad. Goat milk is so much different than cow milk, I love working with it. With cow milk you are all “Is raising the temp 5 degrees every 10 minutes too hot? Is this rennet too strong/weak/hot/cold? Do you have a headache?”
Goat milk is more like “You say you want curds? Hold my beer and I’ll show you some curds!”
Cream cheese recipe, please.
(I cannot make a cheddar fit to feed a dog, but I can make a Caerphilly nice enough to serve to company. There are many ways to play with milk, I think Bob should think about it again.)
It was just heavy cream, rennet, and buttermilk, Bob had a recipe with the proportions, I don’t remember anything else but that it was really good but too much work.
about 92 or so … heres one take on it from "50 of the biggest product flops "
although it says 1998 I tried them years earlier …
" 28. Kellogg’s Breakfast Mates
Company: Kellogg’s
Year introduced: 1998
What it was: Breakfast food
In 1998, Kellogg’s introduced Breakfast Mates, an all-in-one package containing a serving of cereal, a small carton of milk, and a plastic spoon. The product was designed as a time saver that would appeal busy families with two working parents. The stated convenience of the all-in-one packaging did little to save time, largely because traditional cereal is already relatively convenient to consume. In a controlled test reported by The New York Times, preparing a bowl of cereal the traditional way took only one second longer than preparing a bowl of Breakfast Mates. To make matters worse, the product’s $30 million ad campaign sent a mixed message, depicting a family eating the supposedly portable cereal around the kitchen table. In August 1999, Kellogg’s announced Breakfast Mates would be discontinued due to low sales."
The fact that they didn’t market it correctly was probably as least as much a problem as the not-cold milk - they showed people eating it at home and talked about convenience when it only saved a second if prepared at home. And it cost about $1 a serving extra to save that second.These seem to sell well enough to still be on the market - but I’m pretty sure no one except my mother eats them at home. If the cereal+ milk packages had been marketed as something to keep in your desk, or to take on trips , it might have been different.
Was the cereal container compatible with pouring milk into it, the way those little individual boxes are, or were? You know, the stereotypical “grandma packs” as I remember them?
We also took them to Girl Scout camp with us a few times, again back in the 1970s, because we could simply burn the packages when we were done eating the contents.
Just looked at coop.ch. UHT milk costs a lot less than fresh milk (1.05 v 1.85 per liter). (I used the price for 12 one liter boxes, which is on sale v. 1.75 liter jug of fresh). For a family that uses a liter of milk a day, that’s already a savings of 0.80 CHF per day, and a family with more than 2 people can easily go through more than a liter a day. Buying UHT milk means that a family can stock up when it goes on sale. Fresh milk is only sale if it sold on it’s best buy date.
Food is expensive in Switzerland. And fridges are small. Why use all the fridge space for fresh milk?
And if you want really fresh milk? At least one of my neighbors gets fresh milk from the farm down the street - he walks past with a 2 liter stainless steel milk can. I think it’s a limited supply, because they don’t offer it at the farm store, where I buy eggs.
We buy milk in the 1.75 plastic jug, but that’s because we drink a lot of milk. That’s the largest container sold. 1.75 liter = 0.46 US gallon.
Because fresh milk is delicious. But I’m not complaining or anything, I was just surprised. I was also surprised that Australia has a very small selection of pure cream. Most cream in Australia is thickened with gelatin.
In Switzerland I was prepared for the languages, the mountains, different food, cuckoo clock shops, but the milk thing was what made me feel like I was in a different country!
Switzerland is not known for its cuisine. Warmed cheese (fondue racleete) is the best it has to offer. The popularity of UHT milk reflects a common attitude towards food - it’s one of life’s necessities.
European refrigerators are small. The lady of the house (or whoever does the cooking) goes out food shopping every day, and their focus is on freshness. UHT milk can sit in the pantry until it is needed, and the small refrigerator can be dedicated to the day’s shopping excursion for fresh food.
Milk and milk products are cheaper because there are no price supports like we have in the US. You’ll find real butter and fresh cream on every table.
It took me forever to learn how to drink my coffee again with no cream once we returned to the States.
I have no problem with UHT milk. It was nice to have on hand. Once we returned to the US, I looked for it here. It was hard to find and hideously expensive. So I had to return to keeping nonfat dry milk in the pantry for my backup milk.
UHT milk is galaxies beyond nonfat dry milk in texture and taste!
When was this? I never had a problem finding it in supermarkets , even when I first heard of it sometime in the 90s. And while it was more expensive ( especially since I bought the single-serve packages), it wasn’t so expensive that I didn’t keep some as a backup or to keep in my office refrigerator for coffee.
It’s kind of funny though, that you talk about small European refrigerators and shopping every day. Seems to me that once you have opened the UHT milk you need to refrigerate it, and refrigerating a 1L box of milk doesn’t take up much less space than me refrigerating a 1 qt jug of fresh milk. I know Americans have bigger refrigerators but I’ve never known anyone to regularly have more than a gallon of milk in the refrigerator at a time. I’m sure there is someone, somewhere with six kids who buys three gallons at a time but I don’t think it’s all that common. Even people I know who grocery shop every week or two have milk-runs in between
You don’t need to explain the logistics to me. I’m simply reporting what I experienced while living in Germany.
You could see the ladies going shopping each day, with a handbasket. Some rode bikes. In Nuremberg (Nuernberg) there were a lot more bike riders, because it is such a big city. You’d see people of all ages on bikes. During the Christmas season, tree vendors “packaged” the trees in a netting, and bike riders would have a full-height, very compressed tree on the back of the bike, dodging and weaving in traffic, bouncing over frozen clots of dirty snow on the roads. Even grandmotherly ladies had their bikes, and they were fearless in traffic!
I wasn’t trying to explain logistics to you. I just don’t think the frequency of shopping and size of refrigerators has much to do with the preference for UHT or fresh milk. I think it has to be something else , like the time and cost of getting fresh milk from the cow to the store or something like that.
I doubt time and cost of transportation are much of a factor. The is farmland EVERYWHERE.
Things in Europe are smaller. There are few built-in closets: a closet is a piece of furniture the renter owns. Refrigerators and stoves are small. It was explained to me that taxes (probably real estate taxes, or maybe a tax on construction) are calculated by the number of doors in a dwelling. Room doors, closet doors, cabinet doors.
Some apartments require you to bring your own kitchen sink!
Fresh cream and real butter are plentiful, cheaper than the US, and extremely rich and heavenly.
Kwik Star, an upper-Midwestern convenience store chain, sells bagged milk, a product I understand is very popular in Canada. One of my favorite YTers uses it, in a container designed for this purpose, after a corner is snipped off.