Heavy Metal: a Philosophical Opinion

Heavy metal. TRUE heavy metal.

Most people define “heavy metal” music as loud guitars and a screaming singer. Those people are wrong. In the late 1980s, David Lee Roth, the singer for Van Halen, said:

“Heavy metal is simply folk music played at high velocity.”

I read that when I was 18 years old, and I thought it was silly. But I got into my 40s, and remembered that statement, and I realized how correct it was. David Lee Roth was a prophet. Mind you, at the time, “heavy metal” had only been around for 20-odd years.

“Heavy metal” is not a style of music. It is a way of looking at life. It is taking a look at yourself and the world around yourself, and making a decision to DEFINE yourself. Who am I? How do I interact with the world? Does my interaction with the world make the world a better place? And then DOING something about it.

There is a popular picture of heavy metal fans: long-haired losers who are probably on drugs. Do you want to know who constitutes most of the fanbase of heavy metal?

NERDS.

The heavy metal attitude inspires self-confidence. But not the “self confidence” that is popularly espoused, leading to financial success and romantic/sexual success. It’s the self-confidence that says, “I am good at what I do, and I won’t allow anybody to tell me otherwise, and I am going to be a warrior at what I do!”

The band that inspired the term, “true metal”, was Manowar. Manowar wrote songs about Vikings and other classic medieval warrior tropes. When asked why he wrote songs like that, Joey DeMaio said, “I would rather have people think of me as a heroic individual, rather than somebody who sings about getting high and screwing every girl in sight.”

When I was a teenager, there seemed to be a huge divide between people who played “classical” music and those who played “heavy metal” music. Today, they’re the same people. The band nerds who grew up and realized that there really wasn’t that much difference.

When you’re a teenager, you probably listen to the “pop” music of the day. Because … well, I don’t know the “because”. Maybe because you can dance to it. Or maybe because your friends were listening to it. Or because the radio told you that those were the best songs.

Then you get older, and the songs you actually remember aren’t the ones that made the Top Ten. They were those other songs. That’s why (for those of you who, like me, were teenagers in the 1980s) the “classic rock” station you listen to plays Ozzy and Def Leppard and AC/DC instead of Spandau Ballet and Thomas Dolby. The metal spoke to you in a way that the “pop” didn’t. The metal was timeless. The songs hold up because they spoke to the timeless human condition, not to the “get it now” attitude.

OK, first off, I wouldn’t take Diamond Dave as the gospel on much of anything, sober or otherwise.

I grew up with it, and to me it was always highly guitar-driven, minors-based (musical, not teenagers) music dealing primarily with dark subjects. Black Sabbath is usually acknowledged as the progenitor of heavy metal, not Manowar. And I think those who are aficionados can agree that Sabbath had very little to do with speed. Dave’s definition sounds a little more like thrash/speed metal than heavy metal.

Yeah, okay, you missed my point.

So I’ll link the song that inspired my post. This is Skyforger, a metal band from freaking Latvia:

That is metal in it's truest sense.

You want to talk about metal? Let’s talk about “Dead” and Euronymous from Mayhem, and “Dead” committing suicide. And Euronymous’ murder.

Interesting…I like it, but it’s more like some kind of folk/metal fusion than heavy metal.

It appeals to the Celt in me. :slight_smile: Just wish I could understand the lyrics.

Any music that is abrasive at first listen, but capable of complexity and expressing emotions is automatically going to be divisive. Most will thinks it’s noise but folks who love it become true believers. Nerds love stuff like that - I sure did - but it isn’t limited to metal. Punk, Rap, a bunch of EDM, etc.

I think that is why genres like Metal and Punk have both really blurry definitions AND people who get passionate about what is and is not Metal and Punk.

Too busy being drunk and blasting GWAR to make a coherent point. I’ll revisit this tomorrow.

To me, metal isn’t a music you listen to, it’s a music that shouts *through *you.
It’s really a musical genre that works better (possibly even only) in a concert setting, where the bass beat shakes your internals loose and you can physically feel every scream of the guitar. Headbanging isn’t a dance move, it’s a trance move - I know I can’t help myself down in the pit. Puts a big old smile on my face, every time. Losing control, quieting the inner monologue that typically occupies your headspace and just being this piece of meat jumped and jerked around by the riffs doesn’t sound very appetizing, doesn’t really look much better either if I’m honest, but it’s one of the greatest feelings in the world. And, paradoxically, to me it’s both soothing in a way that Enya and the rest of the softly moaning brigade could only dream about ; and more empowering than driving a fucking tank at the same time.

The funniest thing to me is that under all that leather and spikes and flaming skulls, and even when they’re screaming lyrics about killing God and working for Satan’s HR department, metalheads tend to be the kindest, nicest people you ever met. Big fluffy teddybears to a (hairy) man. And there’s no better place to find out than at the heart of the most chaotic mosh pits - people running to and fro, bumping into each other at full speed, having a good time letting the musical frenzy loose ; but the second someone loses their footing down everyone around immediately makes a protective circle around them while somebody else helps them back up, give 'em a sip of water or a glass of beer, a smoke and a pat on the back. Haven’t found that “oneness” in another musical crowd. *Manowar *may be a comical, almost self-parodying band (and a guilty pleasure), but they’re not far wrong when they hail the “brothers of metal”.
It’s all a big dysfunctional family out there, screaming their lungs out. And not giving a fuck if you don’t like it.

It’s probably also why metalheads tend to be so defensive about their music. No other musical genre has more fervent fans, or fans more dismissive about every *other *genre of music. Hell, even about subgenres of metal they don’t identify with. You can stuff your Nü Metal up your arse, mates - when come back bring melody :). It’s a very tribal kind of crowd, very Us vs. The World, but in a good way - as long as you’re with Us anyway. I don’t think any other musical genre can boast as many songs about what it is, why it’s great and why everyone else is an idiot - “wimps and posers” in the words of Manowar. Rappers sing about how great they are, not how great rap is. Maybe it’s because yeah, metal is nerd music, and nerds tend to be both intense about what they like and to have a personal history of being mocked or attacked for their passions. I 'unno.

But in a word : this is my kinda shit. And yours just can’t compete :stuck_out_tongue:

Yeah, not really. The people who listened to heavy metal when it first came out really were scary delinquents, the real thing. Back then nerds would have gotten beaten up by other metal fans or their parents or Tipper Gore for listening to it, and they probably would have felt they were a higher social class than those metal listening losers anyway.

Nerds started getting into heavy metal 20 years after the fact (and probably pretended they were into it from day 1) now that the druggie delinquents have moved on to bro-country or whatever. :smiley:

Yeah, I have to agree with this. As far as I can tell, the folkie trend in metal has its roots in Zeppelin’s habit of going folk, even though a lot of metalheads today somehow try to say Zep isn’t even metal. I’ll concede that they weren’t strictly metal, but they dabbled in the style as often as they dabbled in folk music.

Either way, we’ve got actual folk music played at high velocity these days, and it comes out sounding like Mumford and Sons’ first record. That’s not very metal at all.
Stylistically, metal’s change was taking the sound and making it as loud, dark and heavy as possible. That’s why I see Sabbath and Blue Cheer as the pioneers of the sound. No acoustic guitars on those first records - really heavy, and at a pretty slow tempo, lots of dark themes.

Now, Sabbath absolutely was influenced by classical, but not really chamber music. They were interested in making it sound heavy, and classical music was the heaviest thing to draw from at the time. They were also interested in writing about subjects other than partying and romance. Butler wrote lyrics largely about the same things as a lot of 60’s rock acts would: drug addiction, nuclear war, etc. The difference is that when he writes about, say, nuclear war it’s not some plaintive plea to prevent it. It moves on to after it has happened, and describes it. That’s a hellish scene that cannot be adequately accompanied with a dulcimer.

The nerd connection? Ehh, Metal’s been the style most likely to unashamedly sing about sci-fi or fantasy subjects, so it attracts the crowd interested in those subjects. I imagine that trend has been responsible for some of the folk instruments, too. They just sound more appropriate when you’re telling a tale about a fantasy warrior or a viking.

Not really though. Black Sabbath weren’t outlaws - if you’ve watched the Osbournes you know Ozzy’s the biggest fuddy duddy in the business. The Prince of Darkness in fuzzy fucking slippers. Bruce Dickinson of* Iron Maiden* is a history nerd and a commercial airplane pilot while Steve Harris writes his lyrics based on highbrow literature half the time. Brian May of *Queen *(a band that started as heavy metal - just listen to Sheer Heart Attack) has a doctorate in astrophysics and built his own guitar with his dad - awesome and cute, but not screaming “rebel without a pause”, exactly. Lemmy of *Motorhead *(RIP) collected WW2 memorabilia. *Manowar *used to do their concerts in Conan-style leather thongs, and so on. There’s about a million metal songs based on Lord of the Rings and Lovecraft, a.k.a. deep inside Nerdsville back then.

Metal musicians tend to be heavy drinkers and sometimes (but less often than in pop or vanilla rock IMO) drug abusers, but scary delinquents ? Not as such, no. The *real *hard cases were into punk, not metal. Still are. Punk concerts are full of mindlessly violent assholes - which shows in the mosh pit ambience, too. These cunts mosh with their elbows out.

ETA : err, that was a reply to the previous poster, obviously.

Oh, and @Wordman, the line between punk and metal isn’t blurry at all. It boils down to a simple question : can the guy with the guitar play more than 4 chords ? Then it’s probably metal :smiley:

Ozzy also bit the head off a bird in a drunken fit. Most of the other examples show up in the second wave, and very few of us at all are astrophysicists. Besides, there are lots of degreed professionals in punk rock, too. Plant is an intelligent guy, but he isn’t really a nerd, and he was the first to mention Mordor in a metal-ish song.

And really, I love Lemmy, but calling him a nerd is stretching the idea pretty damn far.

Bullshit. First there’s an amazing amount of crossover between the two crowds. The worst I’ve seen at a punk show was a guy who decided to go against the rotation at an SNFU show with his arm out, stiff arming everyone. He got put paid for his trouble. The worst I’ve seen at metal shows was a set of guys who would show up regularly and saw it as their objective to hurt others. They were never disciplined by the others in the pit that I saw, and I saw them more than once. They were easy to spot, the assholes wore matching t-shirts.

So, bullshit.

And on preview: Yeah, you obviously know nothing of punk.

I guess it depends what you mean by nerds … yeah, the first generation of heavy metal was mixed up with a lot of pseudo-intellectual pursuits (folk legends, surreal horror stories, and whatever) but, (as strange it as it may seem today) all that was supposed to be a cool, counterculture thing at the time - something that rebellious college dorm kids would be into. I don’t think any of that became part of “nerd culture” until a generation later.

All the nerds I know are Postpunks or Goths (or the EBM offshoot), not metalheads. Just saying…

or, in other words, this is nerd music, not the fretwankery that metal seems to consist of.

I’d also like to add: Nerd, degreed professional, drug addict, and wildman are not mutually exclusive categories.

Once ! He did it once ! And he thought it was a rubber one ! :mad:
:smiley:

But yeah, I know - I never said they weren’t fun havers or never over the top with the shenanigans. But that’s not really “scary delinquent”, is it ? Biting the head off a bat is Marylin Manson, it’s Alice Cooper, it’s shock jocks attention-seeking. It’s not sticking up liquor stores or beating up black folks with Nazi Nick, you know ?

There’s arses in boths crowds, of course. Last June I went to a metal festival where one very identifiable crowd surfer evidently delighted in grabbing breastesses and “accidentally” dropping heels in faces. He did it on every set. We steered way clear of that guy.

Still, that’s been my overall general experience. I’ve hardly ever had bad personal experiences at metal concerts, and quite a few ones at punk shows. But I’ll readily admit that it’s internally skewed - the metal shows I go to are typically “pro” concerts, festivals and so on ; while the punk shows I’ve been to were mostly either random bar gigs, roots shows given in squatters’ dumps or shitty clubs where niche bands play for the 20 fans who follow them wherever. I do have great memories of the one Social D gig I went to, and I’ll be there whenever the Wampas are on stage 'cause their crowd knows how to have fun and the frontman is a fucking hero.

Lighten up, Francis. I know it’s a stylistic choice. I’ll belt it out with NOFX any day.

Turns Out Metal Songs Without Distortion are Just Surf Rock

Well, again. It’s easy to find nasty people in both groups. Murders, etc, and yes, honest-to goodness Nazis in both crowds.

Yeah, I’ve been to many low-rent shows for both styles. The more organized the gig, the less likely that nonsense is going to be tolerated. I personally haven’t seen too much difference other than that.

Yeah, I probably should lighten up. You did grin, and all. :smack:
ETA: And Dick Dale was the original shredder!

That I did ;).
You’ll also often hear me quip that rock bands typically feature three to four musicians and a drummer. Spoiler : I’m a drum fanboy myself, they’re what I’d play if I had an ounce of guts :). It’s all in good self-deprecating fun.