Hee-haw, y'all. The 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary

People are. Not a lot of people, but there is some talk.

Had read today more of her being encouraged strongly to run for the state’s Senate seat. (Politico)

Well, maybe I would take Stacey Abrams over Beto O’Rourke, if she had some relevant Washington experience and didn’t seem focused on reform in Georgia. She’s charismatic, and seems like she may be smarter than Beto; but she seems to be a state politician, not a federal politician, right now.

But neither of them are in this race. It seems like it’s going to be hard for someone not in the US Senate to get past the leading contenders this time.

Aren’t we afraid that mayors are over-qualified for Potus? The front-runner (after Kamala’s star fades fast) was a City Councilman (of one of the suburbs of Ciudad Juárez) whose main claims are similar to those of JFK: inherited wealth, youth and a big grin.

JFK and RFO do have one thing in common: the highlights of both their lives were on boats. JFK saved several lives in the PT-109 incident for which he was decorated with the U.S. Navy’s highest non-combat award for heroism. RFO was captain of his college’s rowing team.

I doubt Pete Buttigieg will get far with his campaign, but I’m wondering if his intent here isn’t to win but rather to give the Overton window a shove in the right direction (from his point of view). An openly gay politician running for President will set the media into a tizzy and getting the Republicans clutching their pearls in death grips. But the next time - for him or someone else - the tizzy and pearl gripping will be less…and even less the next time, until eventually all the standard insults and reasons to hyperventilate will be played out and only the diehard bigots will still care.

He’s still young and can afford to play the long game. And if not him, maybe someone else like, say, Brian Sims someday.

And any effort the Republicans spend on pearl-grasping over him distracts them away from attacking the real candidates. Yeah, that’s probably a useful way to contribute, and about the best that someone in his position can accomplish.

If the GOP spends any effort on him, which I kinda doubt, they could highlight the racial animosity in his police department linked above rather than pearl clutching over his gayness. That would not be all that great a contribution to the Dems image.

And just like that, the first casualty of the primary: Ojeda’s out.

I thought he’d be out fast too … but dang not this fast!

Oh yeah, I forgot about that guy. In my defense, a few cycles ago I would never have heard about him in the first place to be able to forget about him.

Sure, CarnalK, if the Republicans were capable of being aware of racial tensions or problems with the police, or of ignoring OMG A GAY MAN!.

What is that in reply to?

Bernie Sanders set to announce 2020 presidential run

I am a fan of Bernie Sanders but I am not sure he should run. I think he is too old at this point to be president. I’d prefer him on the sidelines but still in it as a troublemaker shaking things up.

YMMV

I’m thinking what he’ll mainly accomplish is make Warren’s shot a bit more difficult. They overlap in their bases to a great degree. I think Sanders may find much of his small donor base now has other new loves and Warren is more prepared.

In the last cycle Sanders was against an opponent who pulled her punches against him out of fear of pushing his supporters away from coming to her for the general. Warren won’t pull any punches and she will destroy him in debates. But he will pull enough that someone that appeals more to the Dem establishment but is still able to sell as “a change agent” will have a better chance.

Him in helps Harris, would help Biden if he runs, and maybe even helps Brown some.

I expect Bernie will do much better than Warren in the primary. I expect Bernie to come in second behind Biden, while I doubt that Warren will actually carry a single state. The reasons being:

  1. Bernie has a proven history of standing up for causes that progressives believe in. He’s been fighting for government-funded health care and education for many decades and has shown that he’s a true believer in those causes. Warren has no such record. She’s most famous for being focused on financial regulation, a topic that isn’t such a good vote-getter.

  2. Bernie has been willing to criticize identity politics and political correctness. Warren never has. Indeed, at times it seems like she’s campaigning to be the world’s most politically correct person. I have a hunch that Bernie’s approach is more popular among Democrats than most people think.

  3. Bernie is much better at making the case for his policies in interviews and debates.

  4. And Bernie is just more affable.

Define “destroy”.

Warren is a policy wonk. But policy wonks do not do well in debates. Populist types do well in debates and Sanders has her beat there. Not to mention Sanders has been in politics most of his life. He is well versed in running an election and doing well in debates.

I like Warren and she is very smart but it would be foolish to dismiss Sanders out of hand.

That said in the 2016 election Sanders was weirdly a one-track candidate. He seemed to only have one thing he wanted to hammer home (wealth inequality) and never went much further than that.

Is that asshole actually on Trump’s payroll? :mad: The very worst thing for the Democratic party is to bring back Bernie and his Bros, not even Hillary could be worse.

I also hope that competition between the two extreme-lefties leaves both out of the running. I’m not so very opposed to extreme leftism, I just worry about electability. And, as someone points out, electing Sherrod Brown would cost the D’s what might be a very important Senate seat. So I’m left to choose from Biden, the dark horse Castro, and
Amy Klobuchar!
Wondering if Amy had declared yet, I clicked to the Wiki list of D’s running for Prez. “As of January 2019, 149 individuals have filed with the Federal Election Commission to run for President in the Democratic Party primary” One hundred forty-nine. The Wiki page doesn’t list them all, just the “major” and “notable” candidates — I’ve not even heard of most of those.

All that adulation really did go to his head, didn’t it? Does he know that this time he has to be a Democrat to get the Democratic nomination, or is he planning to be just another Nader/spoiler independent?

Well, we’ll see if there will still be enough Bros remaining to swing the election to the Republican, whoever that is. He just might be disappointed.

I don’t know. What does one have to do to “be a Democrat?” (really asking)