Hee-haw, y'all. The 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary

LOL, agreed. I liked your subsequent post with the link to 538 as well.

Elizabeth Warren is proposing that Amazon, Google, and Facebook be broken up.

I don’t think this is the sort of message that’s going to help her beat Trump in the general election. I’ve posted before about my lack of support for Warren in the primary, and this is part of why I don’t think she would be the right person to go up against Trump. I don’t see why she’s choosing to emphasize this particular aspect of what I even hesitate to call the Democratic platform. Of all the ways that large corporations harm ordinary Americans, I think the size and market dominance of these three companies is way down the list of problems. She could be talking about climate change and what she would do about big oil or big coal. She could be talking about wages and going after a company like Walmart where many of the workers make minimum wage and rely on government benefits rather than a company that has a $15 per hour minimum wage. She could be going after the big pharma companies that contribute to the high cost of healthcare. Instead she goes after some IMHO benign to beneficial tech companies. I really hope she doesn’t get the nomination because the focus on these types of issues would lead to Trump eating her alive.

I think that it’s a smart move, though I still doubt that she’ll get the nomination. The big tech sector is a major driver of income inequality. It’s of concern to a lot of people. Facebook and Google have largely grabbed the advertising market away from local newspapers and other small companies. The movement to online music and TV through Youtube and the like threatens the careers of many artists. So Warren’s move might be attractive to a decent number of people who are already inclined to vote for Democrats.

Plus, gotta’ preempt Trump from doing the same thing.

I agree with all of this. There are plenty of options for these three, including opting out. Facebook? It will be gone in 4 years regardless.

I suppose an argument could be made for Amazon, but I find that one easy to ignore as well. I use it 2 or 3 times a year as a book seller (as it was meant to be) and buy other stuff from other companies.

Amazon is a much bigger company than just their store. Good luck opting out of Amazon Web Services

Why would that be difficult? Amazon has a big marketshare of cloud services but nowhere near a monopoly.
Microsoft No. 2 Behind Amazon in Cloud Market Share

:confused: Seriously?

Yes. He was an incumbent US senator from Illinois and had risen to political prominence in that state.

Anyone who doesn’t think Bernie has an electability problem needs to look at this, from the latest NBC/WSJ poll:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-03/u-s-voters-don-t-want-socialist-or-very-old-president-poll

Remember that Facebook is more than just Facebook; they own Instagram and myriad other investments as well.

Amazon’s move to buy Whole Foods tells us the direction it’s going. It wants to be the go-to mega-marketplace for essentially online and in-store commercial activity.

SlackerInc, what’s that supposed to tell us? Of course nobody wants Sanders just because he’s old. Most just don’t care. The question is what people consider relevant in a candidate.

Chronos, how do you figure that’s not precisely what the poll reflects?

If a person doesn’t care how old a candidate is, then they won’t rate being old as “something desirable”. Now, if a large percentage say that being under 75 is desirable, then that spells trouble for Sanders.

An interesting essay on aging, the brain and the Presidency: Too old to be president? Science says yes. - The Boston Globe

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Amy Klobuchar for President. (She’ll be only 60 in 2021.)

Thank you, Elendil’s Heir. Let me also quote myself:

@ Dopers implicitly arguing that, for Presidents, “Eighty is the new sixty”: — How many of you are eighty? :slight_smile: (I’m approaching the big seven-oh myself and, although I keep smiling and pounding on the keyboard, it’s increasingly obvious to me that I’m not sixty anymore. :o )

Two of my own recommendations — Hickenlooper, Inslee — will be in their very late 60’s if/when inaugurated and I’m not too happy about that. But Bernie Sanders? Who’d be 79 when inaugurated? It is understandable that many voters would look at that age as a deal-breaker. Supporting BS is doing the Kremlin’s work.

Hickenlooper was on Morning Joe (friendly venue) and asked a softball question: are you a capitalist? And bungled it. Repeatedly.

He’s toast.

Details? A link to video? A news article?

I’m not trying to be difficult and have no particular loyalty to Hickenlooper but I don’t understand how you bungle a question like that. Particularly when you are CLEARLY a capitalist.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-did-denver-brewer-and-presidential-candidate-hickenlooper-shy-away-from-this-c-word-2019-03-08

Apparently afraid that the C word is poison to today’s Democratic voters.

Not a bungle but dumb. Embrace what you are even if you critique the system’s inequities in the same breath.

That’s embarrassing about Hickenlooper, but I’m not sure it’s entirely his fault.

My mom was born the same year Bernie was. She is way too old to be president (and women have significantly longer lifespans).

While I acknowledge the flub; it’s too bad interviews rely on little Gotcha questions. Hickenlooper was responsive in his answers and said he doesn’t like labels. The answer was clear enough for any intelligent voter.

Should he have been more forthright, and emphasized that capitalism built America? Definitely. And with good debate coaching he’d have done so. He came to the interview with an agenda; the question didn’t fit the agenda; and he flubbed it.

His team needs to make debate practice a high priority. But it’s hard to imagine this one interview will have much effect. Even the Right-Wing Lie Machine won’t be able to do much with it, will they?