Sarcasm plus facts = poor oppressed Trumpie. Some dipshit writes a “both sides” post whitewashing how evil Trump is, and you’re offended at my tone.
If that doesn’t sum up Trumpies-----well, you’d need to add monumental false accusations against Hillary Clinton----I don’t know what does.
We can disagree and move on. I see things differently. If nothing else, I hope some reading this will at least pause for a moment when they post or respond to others and ask themselves if the vitriol is worth the price. As you noted, there is no one left to offer any opposing positions anymore and my contention is because of responses like those in post 120. Maybe I’m way off. Maybe your contention that everyone who is supporting Trump realizes they are completely devoid of all logic and reason and have no real defense and they are unwilling to share because they already know they are wrong is the right one.
From the OP:
And then you turn around and say the post by margin is acceptable and warranted and anyone who posts any pro-Trump responses deserves it? Which part of Velocity’s post was lying or disingenuous? We can debate if it was stupid, but if that is truly the only measuring stick then any contrarian post will be deemed as such and your criteria for determining which posts deserve derision is meaningless.
Sure, you really are trying to not fall into the news bubble. By posting in the pit asking for reasoned opposing views and then supporting the jackals that attack anyone that proffers an opposing view.
You’ll forgive me if I don’t see your efforts as really all that genuine.
I agree. To show what happens in those forums, you could post something that supports Trump in some way, however small. Or suggests that one of the current accusations against him might be wrong in some way, or even an alternative explanation that could make Trump look just a tiny bit less bad, and then wait for the responses to come in. If the vast majority are respectful and address whatever point you try to make directly, that is a good sign. If however, say 9 out of 10 completely ignore your point, and instead make you out to be some kind of commie, raving lunatic, that there is no way in hell what you say could ever have even the tiniest bit of merit, then that would not speak well of those forums. I suggest anyone who wants to get a better idea of what would happen, then think of something that you truly believe fits what I say in my first sentences here, post it there, and see.
I’ve been here since 2001. I cannot say that things have gotten worse as far as trying to have an honest debate in this respect over that time, because up until recently I typically would post in support of the liberal position, as I am a liberal. However, I have done the above recently, and let’s just say my experience suggests there is vast room for improvement for trying to get that honest debate. YMMV.
?. I don’t think I personalized anything about you. I was talking about the board posts overall.
And you avoided my main point. You slipped in the weasel words “Intelligent etc…” and you won’t answer my question about it. A very simple question too.
You people are ten pounds of shit in a 5 pouind bag.
“You can’t even ask a question”
My guess: These complaints have to do wtih weasel words and manipulations attached to the question.
Who has not asked at one time or another, a factual question here? I have. I got a respopnse. wtf. It’s not the fucking red wedding man. If your question is a weasel question that insults the intelligence of the board what do you think will happen? You get “asked” about it. The response to that is to give a good vigorous response not to bitch that you got taken for something youre not and so youre upset and want an apology.
You don’t need an apology from an anonymous person. Think about it.
Also holding the whole thread hostage over an over the top post by one poster seems oddly…distracting.
I mean ignoring it might be even more effective than spending a weekend on it. Who knew?
You quoted me and talked about how being blinky in defending trump.
This was directed specifically in response to a post by me. This is, at best, a backhanded accusation of me supporting Trump. I do not. Admit you were wrong or move along. I asked a simple question first. You answer mine, I’ll answer yours.
Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suite, is it? I’ve asked for a cite on a previous accusation, which you failed to provide, so I have little hope you’ll actually provide this one.
When did I ask for an apology? I asked for you to admit you are wrong. Talk about 10 lbs of shit. Try learning to read. No wonder you think some words are weasely. You don’t get how words are used so anything that isn’t in alignment with how you view the world must be weasely.
The first sentence? Could you tidy it up maybe?
Dude. I was addressing the board. I don’t know you from Adam. I’m not engaged with you.
Apology/Take it back: whats the difference? You think I accused you of something, when I don’t know who you are.
The opinion some hold that the trump defenses on display here are bad or inadequate is perfectly in keeping with the OP and the discussion, and is legitimate commentary. If you see that and self identify as that, and want to tell us about it how is that someone else’s fault?
Holy fuck you are dense. You have, yet again, misrepresented what is being said. This is now the THIRD time.
It is no wonder you think everyone else is weasely. I see no point in continuing any discourse with you.
The hive isn’t what it is accidentally.
Another lazy, content-free “hive” post from octopus. Everybody drink!
I’m trying to follow the logic. Why is it material whether you are a troinp voter or not, to making a good argument?
So you make your point. Good. If people think you are in the bag then it seems like maybe it’s the argument you are using.
But why is it a matter of honor not to be considered a trunp voter, while you defend him?
I don’t attribute specific views to people here, because there are a few things that could be going on: non trumpers making arguendos, trumpoers, trolls, anarchists, tighty rightys, people trying to shift overton type lines here, distractors…who cares.
It’s your posts and not your affiliation people are addressing.
Maybe just go make your own damn board! Not that hard to do, just set yourselves up as moderators and disallow any hive-mind stuff. Be a stampede of people, eager to escape Gulag Cecil.
I really enjoy reading your posts, elucidator. I’ve gotten many good laughs from your wit and I’m amazed at how quickly you can make your point with that wit. I mean that sincerely.
In this instance, if someone critiques a opinion you disagree with, you are silent. If someone critiques the critique, all of a sudden you are telling people to leave. Is it okay to be critical around here of opinions you agree or should anyone who disagrees with any aspect of other posts, including in the pit, I might add, take their hat and leave?
It is difficult when many are so disposed to be against Trump for everything all the time. I can post the entirety of what the President said about the Charlottesville protestors, and most will ignore it and a few will read it and *still *say Trump called Nazis ‘fine people’.
(And one kind of said, maybe, but he still sucks.)
At least it’s not Damur Ajashi. He posts eight replies at one go. That’s Dylan Thomas-alcoholic-insult-to-the-brain-type-shit.
Or better yet, why don’t we just go do what the Trump voters are doing as we speak?
Do you know why you’re not going to get better Trump defenders on this board? It’s because the better Trump voters have better things to do with their time than interact with a bunch of whiny hosers who are still bitching about the 2016 election and electoral college more than three years after Trump won!! He won, kids. Time to wake up and smell the Clintons. You’re not going to get better Trump defenders on this board, because even as we’re typing this happy horseshit, any Trump voter worth a damn is preparing for the 2020 election. They are stuffing envelopes, going door to door, and the younger, smarter Trump voters are putting up websites for campaign funds . . . you know, kind of like what YOU’D be doing, if you had half the discipline, common sense, and drive of the people you call enemies. If they’re assholes, then they’re assholes who are smarter than you, more hardworking than you, cannier than you, and . . . well, come on, let’s face it: Who are the assholes really?
And what are we doing? Well, in addition to fantasizing about how much better the country would be without an electoral college (the very NERVE of that constitution. I mean, if the constitution were so great, why does it have all those amendments, huh?), we’re racking up posts on a dying message board, refighting the 2016 election again and again and again, like a bunch of Civil War reenactors with Asperger’s Syndrome, and while we’re engaged in such august activities, our own side is deciding who’s going to run against the incumbent president of a constitutional republic with a strong economy. So far, we have it narrowed down to three people: the old, establishment white guy who says and does dumb things, the old establishment white woman who says and does dumb things, and some crazy old dude who just had a heart attack in the middle of campaigning. Well . . . November sounds like a real nailbiter to me. :dubious:
But hey, like I said before, at least you’re winning here, right? Congratulations, kids, jolly well fought! Here, have an Internet!
However, that “fine people” line was directed towards the proto fascists of the past and present: the white southerners that continued to support slavery or the “heroes” that supported that. And that slaves were inferior or German bigots that then later supported “fine” segregationist laws like the ones from Jim Crow.
Incidentally: others still do a good argument that even though Trump did not precisely call the Nazis “fine people” his fig leafs are not quite up to snuff.