Help! Evil Muslims are out to get meeeeeee! (For Valteron and Perciful)

[Lobohan]

@ivan_astikov

I’m sure it was Korans and not Koreans. I can’t imagine Muslims having any objection to stepping on a Korean.

I assume the vast majority of Muslims are decent enough to not want to step on anyone.

[Damuri_Ajashi]

@Angua

Explain to me why I should be treated that way.

Well, because you’re Muslikm and therefore you bear SOME repsonsibility for everything that any Muslim does in the name of Islam. And even if you don’t bear and direct responsibility, you should be treated that way because from a utilitarian point of view we increase societal welfare by traeating you that way because the inconvenience you suffer is not nearly as great as the relief that the most irrational and the stupidest amonst us feels when we get to treat you that way. And even if the inconvenience to you personally is greater thant eh relief to anty stupid people personally, there are a lot more irrational, stupid people (I beleive there are about 55 million registered Republicans) than Muslims (a couple of million give or take).

[Damuri_Ajashi]

@magellan01

Nope. Christians don’t strap bombs onto themselves and blow up innocent people in a market. They don’t fill a truck with explosives and drive it into a grammar school and kill innocent kids. They don’t hijack planes and fly them into buildings, attempting to kill tens of thousands of innocent people. They don’t bury women guilty of adultery up to their necks and stone them to death. They don’t try to adhere to a set of barbaric laws that were barbaric even at their inception. So, no. Radical Islam is not close to “radical Christianity”. That’s not just wrongheaded, it’s Der Trihs level insane.

But they do park vans full of explosives in the underground parking lot of federal buildings in Oklahoma City.

[Damuri_Ajashi]

@Angua

And by implication? :rolleyes:

Your suggestion that all Muslims are worthy of extra scrutiny because of an incredibly small minority is laughable. You can’t tell just by looking at someone what their religion is, or that they’re at the nutjob level of blowing stuff up. So how do you propose to give Muslims extra scrutiny? Go on their names? Their looks? The former is unreliable, the latter is racism.

I think the point is that he is OK with the racism if it will keep people like you from flying a plane into his house or setting off a nuclear warhead at his kid’s socder game.

[Angua]

@Damuri_Ajashi

I think the point is that he is OK with the racism if it will keep people like you from flying a plane into his house or setting off a nuclear warhead at his kid’s socder game.

And how many 30 year old, British female astrophysicists have flown planes into his house or set off nukes at his kid’s soccer game?

[Damuri_Ajashi]

@magellan01

On a board devoted to fighting ignorance, just how many times need it be pointed out that Muslim isn’t a race. Unbelievable.

But that aside, just because race may be used doesn’t mean it’s “RACISM!!!”.

Let’s say there was an assault on the North side of the Golden Gate Bridge. A man is robbed and stabbed. witnesses describe the assailant as being black, and that he took off on the bridge heading to SF on a bike. should the cops stop and question every single person? Or should they use the assailants blackness and an important piece of information to make their law enforcement efforts more effective?

How about of the guy was described as being white? should blacks and hispanics get stopped? How about if he was described as being a white guy with red hair? Is that “RACISM!!!”, too?

But that’s not what you are saying. You aren’t saying lets get the guy that actually assulted someone on the North Side of the Golden gate bridge. You are saying, lets treat anyone that has the same religions as the guy that committed the assault on the north side of teh Golden gate bridge as if they might commit assault as well.

[jayjay]

@Angua

And how many 30 year old, British female astrophysicists have flown planes into his house or set off nukes at his kid’s soccer game?

Slacker!

[Angua]

@jayjay

Slacker!

Damnit! I knew I was missing something!

[The_Tooth]

I’m sort of at a loss to understand why this magellan guy’s fear of Muslims should inconvenience anyone but this magellan guy. The use of the word ‘barbarity’ makes it pretty clear that his is a knee jerk (it’s been almost ten years, get over it) reaction to 9/11 and not a serious argument regarding national security.

[Damuri_Ajashi]

@Valteron

Angua says she is a liberal but practising Muslim. Fascinating.

You see, the problem is that in order to be “liberal” in any way resembling our definition of it, and still be a Muslim, she would have to throw about half the Koran out the window.

Have you read the first half of the bible?

[Damuri_Ajashi]

@magellan01

The point stands, though, doesn’t it: German-Americans were, in fact, interned after WWII. Even if, due to the numbers involved, looking at the group of German-Americans proved to large a group to be useful (assuming, of course, that internment was a wise policy, as it was viewed to be at the time. Similarly, if we had been bombed by England or Ireland, I doubt they would have attempted to round up those ethnic groups, for the very same reason. Profiling is only helpful if one can hone in on a threat and act to minimize it.

No, the point doesn’t stand. Germans were NOT treated teh same as the Japanese. The japanese were interred based purely on their ancestry while the Germans were interred based on who they were as individuals. What you are proposing is to treat Muslims like we treated the japanese (based purely on an external characteristic) not the germans (based on who they were as individuals).

[Damuri_Ajashi]

@magellan01

It all depends how you define the words you put in quotes, doesn’t it? If you define them as “being interned”, yesm the same thing happened. Did they go through the same process? No they didn’t. And no one said they did. elanorigby was under the impression that only the Japanese were interned (which is how I took her post, anyway, and she didn’t correct that impression). I put an an end to that bit of ignorance with a couple of sentences. Your imputing that I said that they went through the same process, as well. Nope, didn’t say it. Because I know that’s not the case. At the very least, the sheer numbers of Germans on the east coast made treating them the same as the Japanese (even if the desire to do so was there) quite impractical.

So, you were wrong about my promulgating ignorance, except in those who imagined me saying the same things that you imagined. On the bright side you’ve helped further fight elanorigby’s ignorance. I’m sure she appreciates it.

As much I appreciate the assistance.

It was pretty obvious that you were equating what happened to the Japanese to what happened to the Germans.

[Damuri_Ajashi]

@magellan01

So right off the bat, we can narrow our scope from the 300,000+ million people in the U.S. and concentrate on about 2.5 million. Sounds like a very effective first step, if you ask me. You’ve cut the threat to less than 1% of the population.

You could cut it even further by pretending we live in a constitutional democracy.

[Damuri_Ajashi]

@magellan01

I think they we need to be willing to draw a line in the sand and say that driving a truck load of explosives into a grammar school playground and killing and maiming little kids is UNACCEPTABLE. And if you do that, you will be viewed for the barbaric animals you are. Period. I can’t believe that you and others are not willing to draw that line. That doesn’t make U.S. bombing campaigns wine and roses, but the two are not morally equivalent, due to intent.

Of course suicide bombing that intentionally kill civilians is different than collateral damage UNLESS there is so little regard given to preventing colatteral damage that the distinction becomes meaningless. I don’t see the carpet bombing of Dresden as morally superior to driving a truck full of explosives into a grammar school. I think we have taken considerably greater care in Afghanistan and Iraq than we did in Dresden, enough so that we can make a meaningful moral distinction between them but you are not merely treatign the guys who bombed the grammar school like barabric animals, you are appraoching everone that practices the same faith as the grammar school bombers as if they mgiht also be barbaric animals.

[Damuri_Ajashi]

@magellan01

But I expect nothing less from one of the lead Muslim apologists on these boards. Keep up the good work. Because every Muslim is deserves just as much scrutiny as every Quaker.

Lead muslim apologist??? You obviously have not engaged him in one of the (deserved) Israel bashing threads.

[Damuri_Ajashi]

@magellan01

I live in your brain. In the nice roomy part walled off by politically correctness.

Political correctness (or blind political correctness) is not usually characterized by adherence to constitutional values. You do recognize that what you are proposing is illegal and unconstitutinal right? Your argument is that the exigencies of the current situation warrant bending the rules a bit. Opposition to that isn’t political correctness.

[Miller]

@magellan01

So right off the bat, we can narrow our scope from the 300,000+ million people in the U.S. and concentrate on about 2.5 million.

Three hundred thousand million people in the US? Whoah! The population has really exploded since the last time I looked.

Must be all those Mexicans sneaking across the border.

[Damuri_Ajashi]

@Really_Not_All_That_Bright

Nitpick: Timothy McVeigh wasn’t really any more of a Republican than he was a Democrat, though he was certainly more conservative than liberal.

I thought he was a registered Republican, of course, these days, he would be a teabagger.

[Damuri_Ajashi]

@Angua

And how many 30 year old, British female astrophysicists have flown planes into his house or set off nukes at his kid’s soccer game?

Well, there’s always first. I know its very unlikely but some people are very afraid.

[Really_Not_All_That_Bright]

@Damuri_Ajashi

I thought he was a registered Republican, of course, these days, he would be a teabagger.

He registered as a Republican in New York State- at which time he apparently had yet to adopt extremist views- but left in 1988 and never registered to vote again.