Help my little brother pick a guitar/become a better guitarist (long)

This one calls both for musical knowledge and understanding of family dynamics and the psychology of a 14-year-old boy. (I have a bit of the first two, but almost none of the last.)

My little brother started learning guitar a few months ago. He’s been using my stepmom’s crappy old classical guitar, but has been saving up to buy his own guitar. His parents made him study piano when he was younger, but he hated it, and they eventually let him quit. It left him with a decent ear and basic understanding of music, and I think the main reasons he hated it so much were 1) his teacher, who was a strict, crusty old Russian lady who believed in discipline rather than encouraging love of music for its own sake; and b) my stepmom, a classically trained pianist who nagged him to death to practice, and would literally hang over his shoulder counting the beats and criticizing him every time he made a mistake. (Upon watching this, I begged my dad to buy the poor kid a metronome, but to no avail. Dad doesn’t have a clue about these things.)

Anyway, fast-forward a few years, and my little brother, who has just started high school and is rapidly becoming a typical image-conscious, girl-crazy teenager, finally convinced his parents to let him take guitar lessons. He’s stuck with it so far, and I think at least part of the reason is that he’s convinced musicians get all the girls. In this vein, Dad told him that if he stuck with it, he could buy a guitar. Of course my brother thinks electric guitars are cooler, and wants one more than life itself. Dad and stepmom think an electric guitar will make him into a lazy musician, and that he should buy a decent acoustic and be well-founded in the classics before he runs off imitating a metalhead or something.

I have played acoustic for a while now (not very well; it’s purely for fun, and I don’t practice enough), so everyone is looking to me for advice. (Plus I may still be young enough and therefore cool enough for my brother to listen to me over his parents, so they’re hoping I can talk some sense into him.) The problem is that I’ve never played an electric, so I can’t knowledgeably comment on the pros and cons. I know the setup on an electric is lower, and I know Dad is afraid that my brother practicing with an amp will drive them all bonkers in their smallish NY apartment, and I know my brother wants to be cool and is not terribly concerned with being a solidly trained musician. Dad had suggested an acoustic electric, which sounded like a decent compromise to me, until I asked my guitar teacher about it last night.

My teacher, much to my surprise, said he should do either acoustic or electric, but that he’s never seen a beginner do well with an acoustic electric. He said not to worry about whatever crap my brother is listening to now, because his ears will mature as he matures (which I tend to agree with); he said he was into all kinds of musical crap when he was a kid, but eventually expanded his tastes into jazz, classical guitar, and pretty much everything under the sun, and went on to get a degree in jazz studies with a strong side focus in classical guitar, and is now a rather well-rounded professional musician. Unfortunately, he had to run off before we could finish the conversation, but can anyone else expand on that idea and/or offer other opinions?

I don’t think an electric guitar will make him a lazy musician. In the words of Carlos Santana, “You think is easy? You try it.”

An electric is easier to play (as far as action goes), and if that’s what he really wants, chances are a lot better he’ll actually stick with it.

Eva you should ask this question at this site. (If the link doesn’t work, go to www.acousticguitar.com and head to their “Beginners” discussion forum.) There are a large number of experienced guitarists that frequent that site, and they love to answer questions like this one.

As for me, I’m in your boat – play some acoustic, never played electric, can’t really help you there. However, the words “smallish NY apartment” and “guitar amplifier” don’t really go together too well.

Bollocks - get him an electric starter package - guitar/amp/strap/plectrum etc and importantly - headphones!
OR electric guitar and (I think in the US a Rockman) practise unit. It clips on your belt, you wear 'phones and plug your guitar in and play cd’s to practise along with.
If he’s going to play acoustic later - he’ll come to it by himself. As a child therapist you will be better to give him what he wants and out think him than give him what he doesn’t want.
That’ll be £50 please.

The guitar amplifier issue really isn’t an issue anymore. I’ve got a Korg Pandora that fits in my pocket and does everything a practice amp needs to do. Just plug in a pair of headphones and you’re good to go. There are floor units that run about the same price that can do a bit more and don’t crew through the batteries, but you can’t wander through the house with those. Yes, most people like a nice warm tube amp more, but until he starts playing with others, it’s better than a practice amp. If he’s playing with others, it shouldn’t be in an apartment.

If he’s interested in playing eclectic guitar, he should get an electric. If he isn’t interested in acoustic, he will eventually stop practicing. I had only an acoustic for six years. For five of those years, the guitar was lucky to come out of the case more than twice a month because I simply wasn’t interested. After six years with an electric, I still play at least three times a week because I’m more interested.

I disagree with Made in Macau. Those starter kits usually have the very lowest quality amps and guitars. Maybe your brother’s guitar teacher can steer him to some decent used equipment.

I use a Korg Pandora’s Box too but they cost $200 new. You didn’t mention a price range. Also, many combo amps (amplifier and speaker cabinet in one unit) now come with headphone jacks.

Eva Luna, I have been playing for 25 years, with a whole lot of time logged on both acoustic and electric guitars. I am self-taught (can’t read music to save my life), and have played gigs with both acoustic and electric guitars (mostly electric). Them’s my credentials to comment - please do with them what you will.

Okay, here’s my thinking:

  1. There are two things that matter when learning an instrument - a) staying passionate; and b) learning fundamentals.

  2. Classical (i.e., nylon string), acoustic (i.e., steel string) or electric guitars are equally good at staying passionate and learning fundamentals, depending on what music the student is passionate about. In other words, if your brother only cares about electric-guitar-oriented music, and learning on a classical will dampen his spirits and limit his ability to play that style of music (let’s face it, you can’t learn Korn or Metallica all that well on classical for the most part) then go with the electric. If he is a technically-oriented player (e.g., fastidious and focused on technique) he can probably learn on anything - if he is really into getting the sound and feel right to inspire him, he is better off with the correct instrument.

  3. Once he decides on the type of guitar that will best support his passion and learning fundamentals, I would be very surprised if he couldn’t get something to fit his lifestyle for little $. In other words, if he is a nu-metal, overdriven, dropped-D maniac (e.g, likes Korn or other heavy stuff) there are guitars and headphone amps that are very affordable and quiet for an apartment - look around. In New York, try 48th street - Manny’s and Sam Ash are great places to research, and you can buy there or go online…

  4. Once he has decided on the type of guitar that best suits his passion and his willingness to learn fundamentals then the most important this is to (and I can’t stress this enough) get a well-made guitar (for the money) that is well set-up. A guitar that is well-made and well set up, regardless of price, is easier to play, sounds in tune, sounds good to an untrained ear and makes learning a joy. A fancy look, brand or whatever that is not well made or set up will be discarded fast by a disappointed student. How do you ensure that you are getting a well made guitar? Ask the sales person as to what is the best guitar for the money and ask them why. Research online (harmony central has extensive reviews on guitar makes and models) check eBay for listings for that make and model and read how the guitars are depicted. Get a friend who is a respected player to help - whatever it takes. How to tell if it is well set up? Pay for a set up at your local shop and/or ask that guitar playing friend to check it out…

That is all for now - hope this helps…