Jesus, now that is just pathetic. If you can’t defend your opinions, don’t fuckin’ post 'em. Don’t expect everyone else to treat you with kid gloves because you’re failing Remedial English. I don’t have a PhD either, but I’ve still got some clue how to communicate in the language I’ve been speaking my entire life.
A word of advice: Recognizing your own faults doesn’t excuse them. Read a fucking book, and do something about that ignorance you’re so sorry about.
First off Jabe, I really don’t enjoy making you feel bad. But this is a touchy subject for many of us. Many of us find it quite irritating that a small group of our population is making pleas and marches for peace without offering any concrete ideas on how to make peace a reality.
I find myself in this nightmare where a great many people have died and I can see more deaths coming and I simply don’t see anyway to avoid it.
Those demanding that “we give peace a chance” come across to me as just trying to feel good about themselves for being so enlightened all the while knowing that others will quite possibly give their lives trying to protect them.
Unfortuntely our proof almost certainly lies in our ability to track his movements and communications. This is probably down with a combination of technology and folks not so sympathatic to his cause. If we openly show our proof, he will change his methods to avoid our technology and arrange to have the throats slit of those not sympathatic to his cause.
Our demands are not open to negotiation because the Taliban have no intention of handing him over anyway and would use any negotiation as a delaying tactic and an attempt to rally other radicals to their cause. We don’t really need to listen to demands that we recognize their despotic regime, abandon the Israelis, or allow Bin Lauden to be tried in their courts where infidels such as ourselves would have little say.
Yeouch…HEY… we are at war with the terrorists not ourselves…after all um…well…we are still in America and still (I do believe) have the freedom of speech and expression. (that is if some more of our civil liberties have been violated)Instead of worrying that your neighbor is protesting against military action, you should be more concerned about the CIA having unlimited freedom to tap our computers and phones.
And what really pisses me off is that Osma Bin Jerkoff is over there laughin about it…cause this is how he wanted it to turn out…
Think about it…plane 1 crashes…plane 2 in just enough time for the whole freakin world to see it…He knows this land is one of freedom, but also of controversy. My god…we have children in gangs shooting each other cause their caps ain’t sittin right…you don’t think he knows that…and that he wasn’t trying to create inner turmoir within the country???
Yes we have pooled together…shoulder to shoulder…as Americans…licking our wounds…tending to our pain…But there simply isn’t any reasonable agreeable answer for the problems that we are facing now…
Myself…I understood the speech…I printed the speech and read it…and all I can say about it is that it scares the hell out of me…I am not really sure if this is going to make it better or worse…But I will not be persecuted by another simply because I don’t believe in war…
Because frankly I don’t
I invoked Godwin’s Law over a page ago and this thread is still going. Could somebody explain WHY? This seems to violate Nature.
I declared victory on page one, and have been gloating for much of page two.
Godwin’s Law
As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.
Quirk’s Exception
Intentional invocation of this so-called “Nazi Clause” is ineffectual.
Corollary of Practicality
There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin’s Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups.
Gordon’s Restatement of Newman’s Corollary to Godwin’s Law
Libertarianism (pro, con, and internal faction fights) is the primordial netnews discussion topic. Anytime the debate shifts somewhere else, it must eventually return to this fuel source.
Morgan’s Corollary to Godwin’s Law
As soon as such a comparison occurs, someone will start a Nazi-discussion spinoff thread on alt.censorship.
Sircar’s Corollary
If the online discussion touches on homosexuality or Heinlein, Nazis or Hitler are mentioned within three days.
Van der Leun’s Corollary
As global connectivity improves, the probability of actual Nazis being on the Net approaches one.
Miller’s Paradox
As a network evolves, the number of Nazi comparisons not forestalled by citation to Godwin’s Law converges to zero.
Well I am definatly not a hippy, but I think I might make an appearence at the local peace rally. I do have my peace flag waving in the breeze.
It isn’t that I don’t support America, or that I think we should all sit on our arses and get bombed, as much as it is that I hope for peace. Peace is my ideal, and it is my hope that the entire world can learn to live it. Is there something wrong with that? Sure, it may not be that realistic, but that is why I’m out waving peace flags in the park and not running the country. Even when it is not pracitical, the world needs the doves. We help keep a sort of balance. We stand as a symbol of the value of life and as a beacon of hope that moral ideals can exist in the world in even the bleakest times.
even seven, your use of the word arse would suggest that you are not an American. Care to confirm or deny?
Okay, this is my opinion, it belongs to me.
We’ve given peace a chance. It didn’t work.[li]We were sitting around, being peaceful, they bombed our barracks.[]We were sitting around, being peaceful, they invaded non-aggressive neighbors and then, while retreating from the Worlds Largest Ass-kicking[sup]TM[/sup], they set the oil fields a-fire.[]We were sitting around, being peaceful, they sent an Exocet missle into our ship.[]We were sitting around, being peaceful, they sent a tug filled with explosives toward our ship, but it sank before it got there.[]We were sitting around, being peaceful, they sent a lighter boat filled with explosives up next to one of our ships and blew a hole in it.[]We were sitting around, being peaceful, and they detonated a bomb in the parking garage of the (former) World Trade Center Building.[]We were sitting around, being peaceful, and they hijacked a number of planes and flew them into civilian targets, directly intending to murder as many innoncents as possible and cause as much physical and monitary damage as possible.[/li]
Those are off the top of my head, sitting here drunk at 1:45 in the A.M.
Enough is enough. We gave peace a chance, now it’s time for alternatives.
Naw, I am an American. I just think it is kind of vulgar to sit around writing “ass, ass, ass” on message boards all day. But sometimes, a thread needs a good “ass”, so I comprimise.
…thinking further…
I think that it is not really so much me saying “give peace a chance” (I’m not that optemistic) as much as me saying “I think it is wrong to kill people and I personally hope for and believe in peace”. Naw, I wager that my silly ideals would make for some pretty disasterous foreign policy, which is why I have carefully avoided any situations where I might have any sort of political clout. If the world was run by me, I know things wouldn’t work because I would be to busy saving the whales and teaching film education to the masses to run anything effectivly.
Acknowledged unpracticality does not mean that my ideals are any less noble, or any less strongly held. Societies have always strived for situations which have ideals that are unattainable due to the current state of the world. When confronted with this, we hope, and we stand as a reminder of what the would could be, not what we expect it immediatly to become.
I think I have a pretty important job. Standing out there with my peace flag enforces some kind of cosmic balance. Hope provides us with a reason to keep trying for good. Dissent encourages us to examine our lives. Ideals keep us human.
Oh geez.
“Even if all 50,000 workers died in there, it wouldn’t match up to the 100,000 people the U.S. generals ordered to be killed in East Timor.” - MC Boots Riley
Another cite that details all of the military expenditures and arms sales, and liscensing to foreign countries.
Granted, the US was not directly responsible for the attacks but over $1 billion worth of arms was supplied to the Indonesian gov’t in an attempt to protect their own interests.
Please explain to us how the US’s inderect action in the slaughter of the East Timorese can be defined as sitting around being peaceful when they were clearly 99% responsible for the attacks, or co-conspirators nonetheless.
I’m not saying that there is any bias or slant to that cite, but, uh…well, yes, I am.
I’ll catch up with this in the morning, but for now: this has to do with Iraq and Afghanistan, how?
Ah yes, the great MC Boots Riley, one of the finest foreign policy experts of this, nay, any time.
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I believe I’ve made my point.
Cite? I mean other than Mother Jones or Boots Riley or some other ultra-left…err…group.
jabe, I’m just going to ask one question, and I want a real answer. Without using violence, how can good prevail in a world where evil people use violence? Or perhaps, how can evil be stopped without violence? (Yeah, that’s two, but they’re basically restatements of each other)
Personally, I would not feel secure in “Turn the Other Cheek”-opolis.
Oh, and on the whole font matter, I’m rather partial to Goudy Old Style.
I don’t remember having said anything about Iraq or Afghanistan, because I specifically did not. I was criticizing the way you painted the US out to be a bunch of saints who only move into action when their financial interests are challenged, as was the case in Iraq as well as Afghanistan. Clearly justified in both instances.
When the US supports the actions of foreign militaries by supplying them with weapons, sure, they were “sitting around being peaceful”, why shouldn’t they shoulder any responsibility for the deaths of over 100,000 innocent East Timorese?
thinksnow, my man, If you believe that all the US was doing was “sitting around, being peaceful” then I am afraid you were caught in their snare of lies and deciept, exactly what they hope for and expect in such instances, aka media disinformation. Before you go off marking me as a conspiracy theorist who beleives everything in print, think again. Also, please find me a reputable website(MSNBC, CNN, etc.) who openly slanders the US for their participation in such activites. It doesn’t happen because it is not in the best interest of the fat cats who own and operate the major networks and are rubbin’ elbows with the senators.
What I am asking you is do you actually believe that the US is always acting in the best interest of all of humanity? I think not, so shoot me.
Michael Ellis,
My last post was directed to you as well.
Those of you who believe that the US has never dipped their hands in the honey are whitewashed fools. The grand old fucking USA, build on slavery and the first and only to use the fucking nuke. Hell, by any means necessary, right?
The US gov’t has you believing exactly what they want you to. That is their nature. Does arguing otherwise instantly distinguish me as a terrorist or a sympathizer. Hell no. I’m a real patriot. Just because I don’t blindly support every venture of our country… Without people like me there would still be separate drinking fountains.
Hunh? How can one be not directly responsible, yet be 99% responsible?
Oh no, not that! AAIIEE!!!
No one claimed the US were saints, just that, and let me make sure you can cram this into your peace-at-all-costs-even-senseless-death-of-innocents brain:
NO FUCKING POSITION ON ANY ISSUE SHOULD BE ADVANCED BY HIJACKING AIRLINERS AND USING THEM TO KILL UPWARDS OF 6000 PEOPLE!!! ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE IS A FUCKING DIPSHIT THAT DOESN’T DESERVE TO BE CALLED HUMAN!!
Ya got that cheese-brain? Nothing we did justifies this!! You can whinge about Timor along with your prescious Boots Riley, but do it the hell elsewhere, like Hell.
Bullshit, you’re just as ignorant as the pro-segregation assholes. You just don’t realize it.
Oh My fucking god, get the fuck over yourself, nitwit. Why don’t you and bootsie go tell the families and friends of the WTC victims how they dont add up to the 100,000 East Timorese. I’m sure they will see how much worse it could have been. After all it was only 5000+. I am so glad your such a real Patriot, otherwise I would think your just an ass, no wait thats insulting the asses of the world, most of them have compassion.
Kvallulf
Go fuck yourself. Does nitpicking my post devaluate its content. I’ll admit that it may have been porrly worded so fuck off for making me feel stupid you freaking cunt sore and why don’t you change your name to something a little more impossible to pronounce. Fuckwad.
Semantics. How could you say that I have no compassion for the families of those killed Sept. 11? That was foolish very foolish.