Why is nothing ever Clinton’s fault?
Take this back a step. If she hadn’t made the decision to have her own server, and having TS/SCI emails at her home, she wouldn’t have given Comey the opportunity.
I don’t think that the government / military vote hurt or helped her. But many government workers that I know that generally lean left were pissed that Clinton did something, then took no responsibility for that something until the very end, that would have gotten them thrown in jail.
Name a few of the government workers thrown in jail for similar “crimes.” Getting a poor performance review does not count.
As would the reverse.
It’s an educated guess from a fantastically accurate expert. I take Silver’s estimation with appropriate, I think, weight.
This campaign is different from any before, because we’ve never elected an uneducated bullshit artist into office before. Silver didn’t think Trump would win, but he also didn’t expect Comey shitting all over the process. Which recursively leads me back to my previous post.
We can’t know what would have happened, but Silver has numbers. Whatchoo got?
Here is one quick example of less than TS/SCI landing one in jail.
Hell, we had an SES here in our office fired over not handling SECRET properly within the confines of the building.
I’m just curious. What do you think would happen to a midlevel government employee, say a GS-10 or 12, that had TS/SCI on their home computer?
The things that are her fault are her fault. The things that aren’t aren’t. Glad I could clear that up.
The email server isn’t a scandal. It’s a mistake. Nothing evil was done, no malfeasance was wrought. If you think it’s a serious scandal, you’re being mislead by grave sounding talking heads intoning nonsense in earnest tones.
She took responsibility. And if you think this would put others in jail, you’re misinformed. It’s late now, but people holding the same misinformed view as you certainly pushed towards Trump’s election.
Utter nonsense.
Jesus dude. What utter shit.
She directed her lawyers to delete the personal emails before turning them over. She didn’t oversee the deletions, and wasn’t, presumably twirling her mustache at the time. This comparison is part of the horseshit feeding frenzy that made people equate the two candidates.
A mistake. OK.
So could you humor me? As I wrote up thread, if a mid-grade Officer or GS employee had TS/SCI at home, what do you think, would and should be done?
Because where I work, SECRET material is a huge deal. TS/SCI is an enormous deal. Just wondering where you stand.
I wouldn’t vote for Saucier either.
If there is, I’d bet it looks like a paper towel tube.
Did the mid-level employee get signed off by the IT department to get their email on that server? Do you see how that’s different? If some low-level dude tries to use his personal server he’d probably be told, “no.” But just like Powell, the guy or gal at the top has lattitude.
You are misinformed about the issue. Clinton had three items that didn’t have the headers of classified material, but had an (c) in the body of the text. Out of a hundred thousand emails.
The other classified information that was reported was just paraphrasing stuff that in retrospect may have been classified. Comey, the utterly partisan douchebag, couldn’t find a reason to charge Clinton. Said it would be unreasonable to do so.
So I’m guessing if your hypothetical dude did the same thing, he’d be reprimanded or perhaps fired.
This is a warning for being a jerk referencing the paper towel tube in this fashion.
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I guess we’re not in the Pit. Gotta remember to check which forum I’m in. I apologize to the board and to Bone.
You see when it comes to classified material, there isn’t supposed to be “lattitude.” That’s how, well, classified material gets on non-secure servers and falls in the hands of people we don’t want it to. This “latitude” - completely of her doing - is what put her in this situation. And the fact that the Secretary and her staff could brow beat the GS-15 IT head into approving her server doesn’t mean much.
Not misinformed at all. She received and sent TS-SCI that wasn’t properly marked as such. But you don’t have be an expert when you read something that is marked UNCLAS when you know it should be. Especially at that classification level.
My belief is that this philosophy about classified material that permeated Clinton and her staff, the whole " They were sent to her, perhaps improperly. . . The other classified information . . . was just paraphrasing stuff that in retrospect may have been classified" laissez-faire, it’s all cool man, who gives a rat’s ass lackadaisical attitude is what influenced Comey to revisit this via the Weiner laptop. Clinton’s the smartest person in the room until it’s convent for her not to be. The whole “who knew what this little (c) meant” insolence combined with the rest is like nails on a chalkboard to professionals who handle classified material for a living. I can’t say this enough. To those who that handle this material frequently, TS/TSI is an enormous deal, and isn’t treated like this.
Ohh. They’d only have their clearance revoked, be fired from their career and never have the ability to get a job in government or related to their profession again? That’s all? Sorry, I thought the ramifications might have been meaningful. I guess if you’re that Sailor who’s in jail, that might not be so bad.
Sounds like a condensed version of 15 years of Fox News coverage of Hillary Clinton.
The server wasn’t used for classified material. Some classified material got sent by accident. Only 3 items were improperly marked. The rest were email chains that contained some information they shouldn’t have. Whooptydoo.
3 improperly marked items were sent to her. Comey himself said it was reasonable to assume that the content wasn’t classified.
All other classified material was in email chains that contained some unmarked snippit buried within them that was found, after exhaustive search to be classified. She wasn’t forwarding special forces orders. Someone said something that after exhaustive review was found to cross a line. It’s utterly minor, and not evidence of a crime. Period.
People were talking about stuff that was determined to be classified after the fact. These were real-time communications, and sometimes some people let stuff slip a bit more. They weren’t sending classified documents to each other.
You are cleaving to your assessment because you’ve decided that this is a travesty. Not because the facts support it.
I didn’t say that. You are free to believe whatever nonsense makes you happy, just know it’s bullshit.
The Sailor in jail did something totally different. Equating the two is inept.
From your link:
What do you believe was the analogous conduct from Clinton?
I’ll take a stab at it.
Publicly at least, Clinton’s statements on the emails certainly “evolved” over time:
“I never sent or received any classified material” - February 4, 2016
Later on this line evolved to include “marked” and then “at the time that they were sent / received”
I have no idea what she told the FBI though. They apparently believe she didn’t lie to them.
She initially said:
“The State Department asked former secretaries of state for our assistance in providing copies of work-related emails from our personal accounts. I responded right away and provided all my emails that could possibly be work-related, which totaled roughly 55,000 printed pages, even though I knew that the State Department already had the vast majority of them. We went through a thorough process to identify all of my work-related emails and deliver them to the State Department.” - March 10, 2015
The highlighted bits weren’t accurate, but that might have just been due to Clinton’s own ignorance, and not an attempt to deceive.
It’s interesting that right-wingers are totally open to overlooking mistakes and even downright wrongdoing by Republican politicians, but keep their eye on every jot and tittle of what Democrats do. Democrats have to be superhumanly perfect just to get an equal hearing next to a Republican.
Only have to be twice as good, what’s the problem?