Sylar’s mother continued her fall to the ground in the background when time came un-stopped; I re-watched it specifically to see if that happened.
We don’t know for certain one way or the other how Hiro’s power stopped working when he faced Sylar.
We do know that (1) Hiro’s power is erratic and (2) Sylar hadn’t and hasn’t shown any ability to muck with Hiro’s power or with time.
Based on the lingering shot of the open manhole and the cockroach allusion, I think that Sylar did survive this episode.
I think this will set up a pretty cool dynamic next year when the new villian is revealed. Consider that Syler’s stated purpose for killing the other heros and taking thier powers is because they aren’t “worthy” of having them in his eyes. So what happens when a someone who is likely even more powerful than Sylar appears? I can see two things potentially happening.
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Personally, I’m partial to scenario 1 because I think that the actor who portrays Sylar is the best on the show and I would love to see what he could do with that twist on his character.
Good point… assuming it was Sylar’s doing and not Hiro’s failure that broke the time stop, maybe Sylar used his super speed to counteract Hiro’s ability?
Definitely worth watching that episode again
Missed that, point taken.
I don’t buy it. Mohinder, Parkman, Bennet, and Molly all had very good reasons to be focused on Sylar instead, at least partially enough to notice him moving.
Presumably, but a mention would’ve been nice. Considering his whole purpose in life is to protect his family.
The point of divergence couldn’t have been Claire surviving because she was alive and well in the future. Future Hiro told Peter to save her, but when he came back to the future (ahem) it wasn’t enough, the bomb still went off, even though Claire lived.
Future Nathan must’ve been killed prior to the explosion, else he would’ve done the same thing he did in the finale and saved New York. Future Candace must’ve been killed prior to the explosion, because we last saw her knocked out cold in the building next to ground zero, and if Sylar didn’t kill her before the explosion, there wouldn’t be much left to kill after.
Nothing Hiro or Ando did as a result of their trip changed anything with respect to Nathan, Peter, or Candace. The only effect Hiro had in the end was stabbing Sylar. I just don’t see any possible chain of events that could’ve led to the future we saw. That’s fine if something changed to change the future, but nothing did!
See above. I agree, in the “first future” that Future Hiro left from, that was the case, but in the future he returned to, Sylar didn’t have Claire’s power.
I agree, that’s clear by the finale. I’m just saying they started down a dangerous and boring path story-wise once that was decided. Like Superman, Peter needs SOME limit on his powers, otherwise nothing can be a credible threat, and none of the other characters matter.
Incorrect, sir. Because of Hiro’s jaunt to the future, he approached Nathan on the streets about the bomb, and was rebuffed, calling Nathan a villain in the process. That might have been the last key to changing the future - Nathan had that weighing on his conscience.
I haven’t seen yesterday’s episode yet, though. Perhaps it’s something else.
Claire: “Tell me you have a plan.”
Noah: smiles
That puzzled me as well. I inferred that saving the cheerleader kicked off the series of events that saved the world, as evidenced by Hiro’s map of timelines and events in Isaac’s apartment in the future. By saving the cheerleader, she was in position to get to give Nathan the push he needed to return and save NY. Otherwise, she’s not in the picture, Nathan flies off with Mom to Vermont, Linderman(?) and Candace escape, and the future turns out as we’ve seen.
As for Sylar healing - he seemingly survived the attack, so that is a whole ‘nother can-o’-worms. Everyone assumed he got Claire’s power (and he possibly might have, but like Peter, she regenerated from a fatal wound). If he could survive Hiro’s attack here, maybe he similarly survived it in the future.
I think Mohinder was a bit busy attending to the gravely wounded DL and Parkman, and Parkman was rather engaged in his heavy bleeding. Bennet was focused on Claire. Molly, who knows, perhaps concentrating on her hero Officer Parkman.
We’ve been through this before. It’s complicated.
In the original timeline, Peter does not save Claire. Sylar gains Claire’s power, Hiro stabs Sylar who regenerates. Someone explodes, we truly don’t know who, but assume for the sake of argument it’s Peter.
Future Hiro goes back to October 8, 2006 and gives his message to Peter. That leads to a divergence, because Sylar does not gain Claire’s power. From that point on, the timeline is in flux. Nothing that “happened” from October 8, 2006 to November 2011 (the time of “Five Years Gone”) can be counted on to have played out as we saw it play out.
He was persuaded to save NYC by Claire. If Sylar had killed Claire then she wouldn’t be there to convince him and he would’ve been on a helicopter out of the city. It can’t be assumed from what we know when Future Nathan was killed.
The timing of “Future Candice’s” death is a sticking point. We can unstick it by fanwanking that she woke up and got to shelter before the explosion in the original timeline but it’s not too satisfactory. Still, the assumption that she has to have been killed before the explosion isn’t necessarily warranted based on what we’ve been shown.
I don’t think memory implantation fits what happened. It seemed like there was an actual conversation taking place, not just an internal one for Peter with a memory. Wasn’t Deveaux surprised by Peter’s invisibility ability?
I don’t think Peter survives the explosion. Given how many powers he would have absorbed by the end, a character with that many abilities would be too powerful to make for an interesting story.
Which means that Future Hiro was wrong about saving Clair from Sylar, since he was still able to survive the sword strike, albeit it took him a little longer.
Stoopid hamsters ate my post.
The problem here is that there are three timelines we see or know the events of… but neither we, nor Present-Hiro, nor Future-Hiro know what happened in the events of the final battle in Timeline 2.
I’d guess that the absence of Ando at the final battle in Timeline 3 was one of the decisive points. Hiro would’ve been less effective had Ando been threatened or killed by Sylar.
And I don’t think that Claire was present at the final battle in Timeline 2, either (in Timeline 1, Sylar had eaten her brain, of course). I don’t see Mama Petrelli having let Claire go had she been in her clutches, and if she had hooked up with the Petrelli clan, it wouldn’t’ve been so hard for Matt to find her for President Sylar.
Anyway, we do know that Nathan survived the bomb in Timeline 2 – Sylar tells Peter that it was Nathan who allowed the world to think that Sylar (not Peter) was the bomb. So Sylar didn’t eat Nathan’s brain until later in that timeline.
Also, just because Candace was near ground zero in this timeline doesn’t mean she was in the other. Parkman, Niki, Mohinder, & Bennet were also near ground zero in this timeline but shown as still alive in the other.
simster, no one said Future Hiro was an unfailing prophet. For all we know, it was best guess.
We don’t have an exact timeline that shows how things progress if Sylar gets to Claire. Once they diverge, however, it’s pointless to assume even that Linderman ends up dead and Candace unconcious on the floor. Everything is different from that point on.
Fair enough, except that most prophets have one thing in common, they get the benefit of writing the prophecy after the events happened… and timeline1 Hiro had that benefit.
If his point of saving Clair was to enable himself to kill Sylar (regaurdless of Bomb prevention) he failed.
If his point of saving Clair was to prevent the bomb from going off (regaurdless of who the bomb was) he failed. (while it didn’t Blow up New York City, it still went off)
Now, did it save the world? Seems so, but we’ve yet to see that - if it did, then that Hiro no longer has a reason to go back to meet Peter, and then the events never transpire, and then he does, and they do…
or something like that.
Maybe it was just me - I thought the blood stain where Sylar died was shaped like a wolf. Since we have previously seen Sylar future painting with his own blood, I thought that maybe his silver eyes at death + blood shape of wolf was a hint for next season. If no one else thought that the bloodstain looked like a wolf, I take it back!
As far as the heroes not seeing what happened to Sylar’s body, there was a period of time where they were all staring intently at the sky (not sure if we saw Sylar’s body on the ground after the explosion or not).
I was disappointed in the final episode too, but still looking forward to next season (although Nathan as eye candy was a big reason to watch and I’ll miss him if he’s dead!)
Now, now… let’s not condemn Hiro as a failure! F-Hiro told him that he had to save the cheerleader to prevent Sylar from regenerating; there’s no way he could have forseen that Sylar would (for the sake of argument) live anyway.
What gets me, though, is that in F-Hiro’s timeline Claire was taken by Sylar (I can’t wait to find out how exactly his power works, btw) so that he regenerates when Hiro stabs him. But later on, also in F-Hiro’s timeline, we find that Claire is alive, and that Sylar hadn’t taken her power? WTF? I mean, getting time travel paradoxes straight is insanely hard, but still. And don’t give me any of that, “she regenerated” talk, because Sylar takes the entire brain, thus preventing Claire from regenerating.
That’s been the biggest continuity thorn in my side, personally.
My understanding was that Sylar killed future Nathan and took his place fairly soon before he met up with Future Peter - Sylar said he only killed Nathan after he passed the laws to open the clinics - that he’d “turned against his people.”
Wile E’s insightful post on page 3 about how the heroes weren’t equally aware makes me wish Kring would have given us an epilogue, rather than a teaser for season 2.
Instead of the hero mini-groups going their separate ways, it would have been great if they had gotten together, compared what they knew and made some plans. Or at least exchanged e-mail addys.
Well here’s me predicting the ending in the Godsend thread - I’m sure someone beat me to it. 
Was anyone else expecting Invisible Dr. Who to show up at the end there and grab Sylar, catching him off guard so that Hiro could stab him? That would have been cool.
I also think the cockroach is prominently involved - IIRC it was the same exact cockroach that was in Sylar’s cell at Primatech - and in that episode it seemed to allow him to not be killed by the medication they were giving him. I think it lives in his skull and he swaps IDs with it in times of emergency…or something.
And boy - if I worked in that secret evil corporation I’d be sending a strongly worded letter to my security company right about now.
Am I the ONLY one who thought Hiro’s fall into feudal Japan looked remarkably similar to the ending of “Evil Dead 2” / beginning of “Army of Darkness”, when Ash went through the wormhole and ended up in the Middle Ages?
I half-expected an old Cadillac to fall out of the sky next!
You’ve got two timelines mixed up in there. There are actually (at least) three different timelines:
Timeline 1: Cheerleader not saved. Sylar has her power and is invincible.
Future-Hiro comes back from Timeline 1 future to tell Peter to save the cheerleader, thus causing…
Timeline 2: Cheerleader saved, bomb still goes off (and is actually Peter, not Sylar). 5-years later, Future-Hiro doesn’t know why his “save the cheerleader” didn’t save the world and then Present-Hiro shows up.
Present-Hiro comes back from Timeline 2 future to present, thus causing…
Timeline 3: Cheerleader saved, Sylar stopped, Peter + Nathan make big boom.
The trick here is that Claire was Sylarized when Hiro had gone back in time from Timeline 1, but alive and not Sylarized when he returned to Timeline 2. Future-Hiro had changed the past, but it hadn’t accomplished what he’d wanted to accomplish. Hence, his “failure” – which he’d recognized himself by 5YL, when he was making his time diorama in Mystery Sock’s loft.