She saved the world. A lot.
Don’t be so quick to assume they’ll actually save the world this time. Well, maybe this time, but perhaps not the next time. Or the next after that?
I’ve always said Tim Kring didn’t know what to do with the success of Heroes. He just doesn’t understand how the fans of a show like this want it to go.
I’m still amazed that he actually thought it was a good idea to kill off the main cast and start over every couple of episodes.
Prediction: Nothing will ever come of Nathan’s scarred mirror twin.
I guess I’m in the minority- I’m just as excited by this season as I was by the first. Sure the irish lass is annoying, but Kring’s already apologized to the fans, in the way- he’s killing off Nikki!
Correct. Or somewhat more precisely I am saying that any show with an arc is far more difficult to continue in such a way that any but a small core of fans will like.
You are among the small core of fans. I’m explaining what the rest of the world thinks and why those shows tend to fail and why even the ones that stay on the air lose large percentages of their audiences. It’s not about you.
Yeah, Buffy made it work, didn’t it? It should have been ridiculous. She didn’t just save the world, like, in one or two season finales. It was six or seven times a season. It should have been ridiculous, but it never was.
I miss that show.
Is it honestly that hard to remember that there’s only one K in the character’s name?
Which explains why soap operas are so rarely successful. Oh wait.
I can sort of see where Exapno is coming from, even if I don’t really agree with him.
I mean, Buffy did save the world a lot, but over her first five seasons there was a fairly steady buildup of the level of threat, where you go from the danger being The Master taking over Sunnydale to Glory destroying all of reality.
But overall, yeah, multiple world-saving is just part of the package of serial fiction, and a strength, I think, rather than a weakness.
Is it really so hard to understand that I’m talking about prime-time network television, the massest of mass media? Of course there are small core groups of fans for soap operas. There are small core groups of fans for absolutely everything. So what? A successful prime-time show has to appeal beyond that core or it gets canceled. Shows elsewhere - whether daytime or late night or cable or premium channels or the internet - can get along with audiences that would get them booted after an episode on prime time. Context is everything.
You also might want to look at the ratings for soap operas over the last decade and see if you still want to make that point.
So, American Idol on every channel, every night, all night?
Do you watch it? I never have.
I don’t watch any reality shows. Yet there they are, all over the dial, every single night.
So what’s your point?
I don’t watch it either. Hate it. I’d hate for every show we watch to emulate the Hollywood formulas which get the largest audiences.
BTW, to anyone: Does this writer’s strike apply to shows made in Vancouver? Or just the US?
I sure hope that’s speculation and not an unboxed spoiler.
As to the article and the apology, I’m glad Kring finally understands the areas he’s failed in, but I do have to disagree slightly with this comment, “’‘In retrospect, I don’t think romance is a natural fit for us,’’ says Kring of the love stories starring Claire and Hiro.” The contrived romances of Claire and fly-boy, as well as Hiro and the Pretty Princess didn’t work (nor could they have), but when they’re done right, with the right characters, the audience will not only root for them, but be disappointed when they don’t work out. Case in point; Hiro and Charlie, the redhead from the diner in season 1. I also think fans would’ve been OK with a Claire/Zach pairing.
It applies to anyone in the Writer’s Guild. If a writer is in the guild and happens to be in Vancouver doing a show then I would say yes it does apply.
But if Canada has it’s own guild then it should not affect any Canadian writers.
I’m glad they disappeared him rather than inning him. That would have bugged me.
So would I. So what? In what world do you live in that does not have tv networks that try to get the largest audience* and that doesn’t cancel shows for low ratings?
I’m not describing my personal preferences about shows. I’m describing reality. It’s not about you or me or Loach. It’s about the mass audience. Networks do balance reality shows against dramas against comedies against news against movies against variety shows etc. because they believe that a constant diet of any one type would reduce overall viewership. But that balance changes yearly and the mass audience has spoken for reality shows. You have two choices. Like it. Lump it.
Responses here are similar to the ones in the writer’s strike threads. It’s not fair for the writers to demand royalties. It’s not fair for my shows to be taken off the air. It’s not fair to give me anything but what I want. And the writers are supposed to be the whiners?
*Remember, it’s worse than having to get the largest audience. Shows have to get the largest audience of the right demographics. If you’re over 55 your support of a show has less weight because advertisers won’t pay as much for you.
Syndrome? Is that you?
You’re criticizing the show because it doesn’t have mass appeal, in your opinion and according to what, Nielsen?
Yeah, you’re saying “appeal to us 14-16 year-old girls who love American Idol, Dancing with the stars (or whatever it is), or you’re off the air.”
Yes, you are saying “appeal to us, the masses who love American Idol or Dance Off, or you’re fucking up.” That’s what you’re saying. You’re saying make what the masses apparently want or you’re a fuck up. That is what you’re saying.
I’d rather Heroes die then introduce an amateur song and dance competition to spruce up ratings, which you apparently feel is necessary, or they’re just stupid and are going to get cancelled.
Don’t tell me they have to lose the story arc, or lose the “save the world bit.” I’m not buying that. You want them to introduce a song & dance while “surviving on an island” populated with aspiring actor/bartenders. That’s what you’re saying. You’re saying they’re fools if they don’t.
Wow. When I asked what world you lived in, I didn’t realize that was a serious inquiry. What planet are you from?
Okay, then tell me again Earthling, what exactly is your criticism of Heroes?