He's Back...[George Zimmerman Arrested Again]

[Snowboarder_Bo]

Zimmerman didn’t do anything wrong; it was all his girlfriend’s fault! :rolleyes:

[

George Zimmerman told a 911 operator that he never pulled a gun on his girlfriend, and that it was she who smashed a table at the home they shared outside Orlando.

Zimmerman said on the 911 call Monday that the girlfriend, Samantha Scheibe, also became upset when he started to leave.

](http://bigstory.ap.org/article/george-zimmerman-charged-assault-battery)

[Loach]

@Der_Trihs

It most certainly does tolerate killing random black men*, and it did in Martin’s case. Zimmerman was an armed thug looking for trouble, he stalked Martin and Martin’s death was the result.

*I mean really, don’t you read the news? Cops for example are pretty notorious for killing black people on sight whenever they have even the thinnest excuse. Incidents like that show up in the news regularly. “Stand Your Ground” cases are more likely to result in the killer going without punishment if they kill someone black. And so on. The widespread existence of racial prejudice in America is not news.

I have to give you credit for consistency.

[SeaDragonTattoo]

I hope the claim by the girlfriend that she’s pregnant is false. Jeez, that poor baby.

[Blackberry]

@monstro

I just heard an excerpt from the 911 call. She sounds scared but she also sounds just like Shelli Zimmerman did when she called 911. Let’s hope no more women are stupid enough to think things will be different for them.

Of course some will. Let’s just hope he gets locked up before he murders someone else. (Even then, he’ll have romantic pen pals.)

[Der_Trihs]

@Loach

I have to give you credit for consistency.

Blacks have been treated very poorly and often killed for literally centuries in this country; that’s consistency. I could be dropped by time machine to any random place & time in America’s history, announce that “blacks are mistreated here” and be right.

The whole Zimmerman/Martin case never looked like much more than a reprise of old fashioned lynch mobs. People were pretty open with their reasoning that Martin was black, therefore he must be a criminal, therefore it was OK for Zimmerman to stalk and kill him. One poster here got banned when he started calling black people something like “quasi human thugs” in Zimmerman threads.

[DataX]

@Blackberry

That’s always my first reaction to hearing something like this too. Same with anyone who got acquitted or got a light sentence for anything serious. Wouldn’t you be careful from now on?? Well, no, most of them wouldn’t. You can’t put yourself in their position because (I, and I assume you) would never be in their position to begin with.

His wife said he feels invincible ever since the verdict. I don’t really trust her, but I don’t find this hard to believe.

Seems believable to me - either:

1. He got away with murder and he now feels invincible as - well he pretty much killed a guy with no recourse
2. He was truly innocent and it was in self defense - and now he has probably (literally) millions of fans who thinks he is a hero.

Most sane people with guns don’t put themselves in bad situations like he did.

[samclem]

@Der_Trihs

The whole Zimmerman/Martin case never looked like much more than a reprise of old fashioned lynch mobs. People were pretty open with their reasoning that Martin was black, therefore he must be a criminal, therefore it was OK for Zimmerman to stalk and kill him. One poster here got banned when he started calling black people something like “quasi human thugs” in Zimmerman threads.

Let’s see----lynch mobs=90% biggots killing someone who is black.

Zimmerman/Martin case=maybe 60% supporting Zimmerman vs 40% supporting Martin.

Fail.

[twickster]

@Der_Trihs

He learned the obvious lesson: that he can stalk & kill people and get away with it.

What he evidently didn’t learn is that rule only applies to certain people that society has decided are fair game. Society has no problem with him stalking & killing random black men, in fact many will and did consider him a hero for doing so; but it does have a problem with him threatening his girlfriend.

I don’t know what the rules are in Great Debates, but in MPSIMS this is considered inflamatory and borderline trolling. Knock off the sweeping generalizations, or take them to another forum (GD or the Pit).

twickster, MPSIMS moderator

[Leaper]

@Ethilrist

I am shocked, shocked, I say, to find that he may well be an aggressively violent man with anger management issues. And a gun.

I’m sure there are supporters out there who think that he’s a good, just man who’s gone insane from being constantly hounded by activists and the liberal media.

[Ethilrist]

And he barricaded himself in his house by piling furniture up against the door before the police showed up in order to protect himself from his crazy, crazy girlfriend.

[Loach]

@Ethilrist

And he barricaded himself in his house by piling furniture up against the door before the police showed up in order to protect himself from his crazy, crazy girlfriend.

Probably a damn good chance she is nuts.

[Rick]

@twickster

I don’t know what the rules are in Great Debates, but in MPSIMS this is considered inflamatory and borderline trolling. Knock off the sweeping generalizations, or take them to another forum (GD or the Pit).

twickster, MPSIMS moderator

Thank you.

[brickbacon]

Not to rehash the whole Travon thing, but does anyone, who previously believed the uncorroborated allegations in his account of the events that night, think that maybe he was lying?

Even beyond the resisting arrest thing prior to the Martin altercation, we now have to consider the following things:

1. He was less than forthcoming about the donations he received as the trial began
2. He is/was being sued by a security company that claims he stiffed them
3. He seems to have stiffed his lawyer (according to his lawyer)
4. He seems to have threatened his wife with a gun.
5. He is arrested and alleged to have threatened his girlfriend with a gun.

Don’t all those things basically make someone completely not credible?

[Ibn_Warraq]

@Loach

Probably a damn good chance she is nuts.

If she’s with George Zimmerman she probably is.

I wonder what sort of reception he’ll receive in jail.

[Deeg]

@nearwildheaven

(In)famous men have no trouble getting women (or men, if they’re wired that way) to go out with them. :rolleyes: Look at all the mail Ted Bundy, Richard Ramirez, Charles Manson, etc. have gotten over the years.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (Boston Marathon bomber, for the one reader who might not know) has, to my understanding, a small cadre of people–mostly young, single, white women–who have rallied around him and profess his innocence. These kind of people are strange.

[BigT]

@Deeg

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (Boston Marathon bomber, for the one reader who might not know) has, to my understanding, a small cadre of people–mostly young, single, white women–who have rallied around him and profess his innocence. These kind of people are strange.

I actually understand that better. The guy had a rather attractive image floating around the media. And these women are mostly at the age where that seems to trump everything else.

These women should know better.

[DragonAsh]

@brickbacon

1. He was less than forthcoming about the donations he received as the trial began
2. He is/was being sued by a security company that claims he stiffed them
3. He seems to have stiffed his lawyer (according to his lawyer)
4. He seems to have threatened his wife with a gun.
5. He is arrested and alleged to have threatened his girlfriend with a gun.

Don’t all those things basically make someone completely not credible?

Points 1 through 3 may be completely true, partially true, or completely false, but in any event they’re complete bollocks in terms of how we think about the events of February 26th, 2012.

Points 4 and 5, on the other hand, coupled with the previous arrest and such, suggest at least two things: a) He clearly has anger management issues and b) it very very strongly suggests he’s rather quick to pull out his gun in any sort of confrontation.

Twice now he’s (‘allegedly’) pulled out a gun on unarmed, defenseless women - women he knows! Women he was married to or was dating!

Gee, I wonder if he’d be more or less likely to pull out a gun when following a suspicious-looking, up-to-no-good, punk asshole black man at night in the rain. :rolleyes:

And the gun nuts want us to believe that we’re *safer *with people like George packing heat. Sheesh.

[brickbacon]

@DragonAsh

Points 1 through 3 may be completely true, partially true, or completely false, but in any event they’re complete bollocks in terms of how we think about the events of February 26th, 2012.

I disagree. Assuming that such accounts are accurate, they demonstrate his willingness to lie, and his lack of trustworthiness. Those things don’t directly relate to any of the facts in the Martin case, but they speak directly to the uncorroborated allegations made by Zimmerman, and whether or not they are credible. Not paying your bills doesn’t make you a murderer, but it does make your word far less credible.

[Shark]

I like to think that Zimmerman, as the only living person who truly knows what went on that rainy night, is subconsciously sabotaging his freedom. Maybe he has a telltale heart driving him to do things that he knows will get him locked up.

[DragonAsh]

@brickbacon

I disagree. Assuming that such accounts are accurate, they demonstrate his willingness to lie, and his lack of trustworthiness. Those things don’t directly relate to any of the facts in the Martin case, but they speak directly to the uncorroborated allegations made by Zimmerman, and whether or not they are credible. Not paying your bills doesn’t make you a murderer, but it does make your word far less credible.

We have lots of reasons to have doubts about his story re: the night of the Martin shooting. How he may or may not have diddled his finances & expenses after the shooting ain’t among 'em.