Two things:
{Suitable pause to recover from stun.}
Halo13, I’ll let Chumpsky speak for himself – maybe so should you.
As for my own usage of the term “idealist” (no CAPS), it simply means “The act or practice of envisioning things in an ideal form*” And I feel confident you would agree that at least in theory, that is the foundation of all political systems.
On a personal level, the extent that any one individual fails to take into account external factors that conflict with their paradigm, that individual can be said to be more of less realistic in his or her approach. IOW, Flexible Vs Dogmatic, realistic vs idealistic. And I think we’ve all seen what camp Chumpsky fits into. Thus my original usage of “passionate idealism.”
Hope that helps clear up any misunderstanding.
*Source:The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition.
Guys, can we now agree on that the Mass-thing was a plagiat?
Can we now go further?
I try to put up story about firms that helped the nazis during and after the war.
We will see how it look like. OK?
Because what is the difference between a plagiat and something You cook up from different sources?
Still, I defend Chumsky on the ITT etc. thing; the core of this story is so well known (in Europe) by guys that lived in the 70’ties, that I think the core can be written in 20 - 30 ways. It depend on what sources You have read from the beginning.
But let everyone think as they wich, but if we begin to push everything that people write about WWII and filtrate it through Google, we come nowhere. We will find every week something ‘very very accidental’, so come over it and lets debate.
btw. Monty I have no problems to agree with You, if and when I am wrong.
Nobody should. We are here, as I understand, to learn, (or as Chumsky put it; testing ideas), to develope.
We are here to, if possible, to built a bridge between different “absolute thruths” or pushing them nearer each other.
I still want to say one thing about debates over-all.
I am not speaking about this thread.
If some poster says:
1+1=2
22-2=20
and 3+2 = 6, everyone is completely right in telling that the last one was wrong.
But, then everyone begins to focus on the last one, nothing else and nobody want to discuss anything more.
In the end it comes to the higher matematics, like: fuck-wit, moron etc.
Often from posters that have given nothing to the whole thread!
Just two-liner droppings.
Have You ever felt like it happens all the time, or am I alone about this?
Your disingenuousness is really showing here. You stated above:
Now, again, I PROTEST IN THE STRONGEST POSSIBLE TERMS! I would demand that you show me exactly which posts you think have been plagiarized, and what they were plagiarized from. Indeed, if this was in print, I would demand such. Seeing as how this is an anonymous message board, though, I will simply ask you real nice like.
This is an extremely serious charge, and one that I cannot let slide by. You are asserting that many, if not most, of my posts are plagiarized. (Or, at least those that are well written, scholarly, etc.) When I ask for you to come up with an example of which other posts you think have been plagiarized, you hem and haw about how unlikely it was that three paragraphs could have been plagiarized without it being representative of a wider pattern. You even claimed to pick the second example from “just another random post of yours.” (A likely story.) Yet, when pushed to back up this charge, you cannot, because it is total bullshit.
I admitted to the copying of the sentences from Maas. I utterly deny that the sentences about ITT and GM and their Nazi collaboration were plagiarized. In regard to the paragraph on Kosovo, I note that you have not found fit to reply to the lengthy explanation I wrote about that.
I say again: Justify your claim that many or most of my posts have been plagiarized.
(One other trivial point about your assertion above is that, as far as I recall, I have only “claimed” (LOL) to be posting from work once. I usually don’t have time for the internet at work, and so have rarely posted from there. While I may have wrote that one or two other times, I don’t recall that I have. And this is out of 567 posts so far. I don’t know where you are getting that “for someone who often claims to be posting from work…” stuff.)
Let us take up, once again, the matter of the sentences about ITT, GM, et.al.. RedFury attempts to re-write this paragraph thusly:
There are two points here:
(1) Why would what you wrote above not be an example of plagiarism? You will note that it contains the same factual information as my sentences, although it is written in a different way. If you take a paragraph, use the information, and word it differently, is this not plagiarism? You will notice that my sentences and Craven’s are not the same. Again, I wrote:
Craven has:
NOT the same! Now, I realize that my sentences and Craven’s resemble each other more closely than they do RedFury’s attempt to write it in a completely different way, but they are not the same!
(2) Note also, essentially, the rather large difference in the messages conveyed by my own and RedFury’s sentences. While RedFury’s does convey that it was surprising that these mercenaries were not prosecuted, it does not convey what I wanted to convey, namely that instead of being prosecuted for treason, they were rewarded for their complicity in mass murder. Writing “as opposed to being prosecuted” simply does not convey the sense of outrage I was trying to convey. That is the crucial point. I was trying to point out, first, that these companies should have been prosecuted for treason, and instead were rewarded. With that in mind, think of how you would word two sentences to put forth that idea. That it would resemble a couple of sentences written by somebody else would not be surprising.
The most disgusting thing about this whole thing are statements like these:
I love that “I hate to do this to you, bud” stuff. Indeed! You are my bud? What crap! If you hate to do it so much, why have you not responded to requests to point out which other posts of mine have been plagiarized? That is your most damning criticism! One which, if you, my bud, really did hate to do this, you would try to back up!
Also, as Halo13 has correctly surmised, I do not consider myself to be an idealist. Passionate, maybe. But, nothing strikes me so much as the general shittiness with which people treat each other, and how people will kill millions and generally drive most of the population of the world into abject, soul-crushing misery in order to enhance their own positions of privilege. Is that an idealist? I don’t believe in any such thing as an ideal form, but rather that justice is only obtained by bitter struggle, inch by inch, and that every tiny gain must be defended with blood and toil.
Socialists are often “accused” of being idealistic. How absurd! Socialism is based on a recognition that people in power cannot be trusted! That power corrupts, and that those in power will use that power for the benefit of themselves and their own class! If I was an idealist, if I thought that people were generally good, I would be a capitalist! Indeed, I have come to my conclusions, eventually, only after recognizing that the only way the working classes will be able to obtain some justice is by doing it themselves, through class struggle, that liberal leaders will NEVER do it for them. The political purpose behind labelling people as idealists is clear, though: if someone is an idealist, as opposed to a realist, then their ideas need not be taken seriously.
Henry B: Thanks for the positive remarks. BTW, I read your comments in the thread on the ex-USSR with great interest. Sorry that I have not been able to respond, but I have been very busy lately.
Odd thing for a plagerist to complain about.
Personally, I think the 2 examples were quite enough.
>> This is an extremely serious charge, and one that I cannot let slide by. You are asserting that many, if not most, of my posts are plagiarized.
So, “I only stole 10 % of what I own and I legally bought the rest” would be a good defense for someone caught stealing? You really have no shame Chumpski. None. You stole stuff and now your defense is that you posted other stuff you didn’t steal. Well, good for you. You are still dishonest and your failure to fully admit it just shows what kind of scum you are: the kind which will find a reason to justify anything they do.
Chumpsky
This is pointless. Your dishonesty has caused me to ask for a ruling from the SDMB staff. Something that could have been avoided from the start had you simply acknowledged your unethical behavior.
I am confident I have presented solid evidence to back up my initial charge. Those three examples were obtained from roughly a ten-post scan. Whether that figure is representative of the rest of your 500+ posts, I can’t say. I simply don’t have the time or inclination to go through each one of them. However:
1-The charges stand on their own and I find your “excuses” and “protestations” highly disingenuous.
2-That the credibility of the rest of your work has become suspect by default, is not a charge per-se, but simply a result of your own wrongdoings.
As has been suggested by many in this thread, you need to take a long hard look at yourself and stop trying to find blame elsewhere.
(I could swear I hit “Submit,” but my post vanished. Try again, and apologies if it double-posts.)
I keep picturing Chumpsky as the Wizard of Oz, frantically pulling levers and spinning control wheels, saying, “Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.”
Plagiarist. Busted.
Chumpsky, I find that you have done some plagiarizing. Then you try to argue that it’s NOT plagiarizing. We at the Straight Dope take plagiarizing VERY seriously. A new instance of this behavior will lead to your banning.
Lynn
For the Straight Dope.
Just wondering, why would it take a new instance do ban him?
Loathsome as Chumpsky is (which is very loathsome indeed), he, like any other carbon-based life form, deserves a warning for a first (that we know of, that is) transgression, not an outright banning. Let not the dogpile become a lynch mob.
Point taken.
I say hanging’s too good for him!! Stone him!! Draw him and quarter him!! Burn him at the stake!!
All very tempting, but gobear is absolutely correct. If we start believing that personal growth isn’t possible, we’re all in trouble.
How about we drop a statue of Marx on him?
We DO ban spammers on their first offense, even if they are carbon-based life forms (as far as we know). And we remove their spam from view.
Thank you for the prompt reply, Lynn.
Trust that settles it.
Now you’re being too lenient–spammers, IMO, deserve to be tossed out the airlock sans spacesuit, just like the rest of the debris.
This contradicts even what you have written here, namely that the second example was taken “just another random post of yours.” And, again, this was NOT plagiarized.
I believe that you are a liar. You are lying when you say that the statement about ITT and GM was taken “just another random post of yours.” Furthermore, you were lying when you said, “I hate to do this to you bud, because I honestly like the passionate idealism with which you present your notions for a better world.” The cynical, manipulative way in which you have presented yourself here disgusts me.
Yet, the biggest lie of all is this, which you still have not seen fit to reply to:
You are a lying ass. You have put out this piece of vivious slander, and simply refuse to back it up. You hem and haw about how you don’t have the time to search for 500 posts, blah, blah, blah.
What utter bullshit!
If the situation is really as you claim it is, then it will be no problem at all for you to find other examples of posts I have plagiarized. The fact is, though, that you won’t be able to find any.
RedFury, I demand that you either retract this piece of vicious slander, or present your evidence.
Whether that figure is representative of the rest of your 500+ posts, I can’t say. I simply don’t have the time or inclination to go through each one of them. However:
1-The charges stand on their own and I find your “excuses” and “protestations” highly disingenuous.
2-That the credibility of the rest of your work has become suspect by default, is not a charge per-se, but simply a result of your own wrongdoings.
As has been suggested by many in this thread, you need to take a long hard look at yourself and stop trying to find blame elsewhere. **
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Doh! Please disregard the parts of the last post after “present your evidence.”
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Don’t worry, Chumpsky. I disregard everything you post.
You’re on thin ice now, bud. If I were you, I’d act a little contrite.