Just think, folks, a year from now, you’ll be able to tell SDMB newbies that you were there the night that Chumpsky got caught with his pants down around his ankles, yet vociferously maintained that that was not his ass flapping in the breeze.
What a crash-and-burn this is turning into! Oh, the humanity!
EarlyOut,
I can just imagine gathering the newbies and telling them a tale of horror, a tale of unimaginable horror, passed on from generation to generation of poster…
The tale of Chumpsky the lying plagarist bastard…
Man, Chumpy is even more annoying than Noam Chompsky!
RedFury is NOT to be triffled with! :eek:
My hat’s off to you, sir!
**Fenris: **Y’know, Lynn. If you threaten to ban a poster as thoughtful<cough> and well loved <cough> as Chumpsky, ANY of us can be banned. I figure I’m high on the list. Do you want to ban me now or wait till you get home?
Chumpsky: BAN HIM NOW! BAN HIM NOW!
Fenris: You keep outta this; she doesn’t have to ban you now.
Chumpsky: Oh, yeah? Well, I say she DOES have to ban me now! So BAN ME NOW!
Lynn: (shrugs, and presses the BIG RED BUTTON O’ BANNING. An anvil (labeled “BANNED”, of course) drops on Chumpsky)
Chumpsky (crawls out from under the anvil): Let’s try that again…
Fenris: Okay! (recites in a flat voice) Do-you-want-to-ban-me-now –or-wait-‘till-you-get-home?
Chumpsky (in the same kind of voice): Ban-him-now. Ban-him-now.
Fenris: You-keep-outta-this; she-doesn’t-have-to-ban-you-now.
Chumpsky: Ah-HA! (turns to audience) Pronoun trouble! It’s not ‘she doesn’t have to ban you now’, it’s ‘she doesn’t have to ban me now’. Well, I say she DOES have to ban me now! SO BAN ME NOW!
Lynn: (Shrugs again and presses the BIG RED BUTTON O’ BANNING. A trap door opens under Chumpsky who does a double-take and falls through.)
Fenris Bunny
And, Chump? To forstall the inevitable idiocy since you seem to have trouble with the concept: this isn’t plagerism, it’s parody. What you did was plagerism.
At least Noam wrote his own crap.
Who’s noam chompsky?
Let me get this straight- you’re asking for proof why I think you’re a liar? Quit being disingenuous. You know why you’re called out on the carpet.
thunderous applause
Noam Chomsky is a brilliant linguist who made some really excellent contributions to that field. He’s also a bit of a left-wing conspiracy nutball. His most famous book is probably Manufacturing Consent.
In all my time on the board I have never seen such naked, blatant hypocrisy.
Do you suppose there’s a “from each according to his (writing) ability, to each according to his (rhetorical) need” thing going on here? After all, it’s not Maas’ or Parenti’s essay, it’s the proletariat’s essay.
Bwa. Hansel, you just took down Chumpsky’s person and his ideology in one stroke. Bravo.
Since this whole episode deserves to be memorialized in song, I present the following (slightly altered but adequately credited) Tom Lehrer verse:
*"I am never forget the day I first meet the great Chumpachevsky
In one word he told me secret of success in propaganda
Plagiarize
Plagiarize
Let no one else’s work evade your eyes
Remember why the good Lord made your eyes
So don’t shade your eyes
But plagiarize, plagiarize, plagiarize
Only be sure always to call it please research"*
Lobachevsky, by Tom Lehrer
I’m going to dissent somewhat from the prevailing opinion.
The SDMB is a great forum, but to pretend it is some kind of learned journal of fact and professional opinion is a crock of shit. I’ve never seen one of those with a BBQ pit, for chrissakes. It’s a ‘medium for public discussion’, as the FAQ states. It’s people bullshitting. Educated, intelligent, even erudite people bullshitting, but still BS.
Accusing someone of plagarism here, IMHO, carries about as much weight as doing the same at the dinner table. Such a charge would mean something in a classroom or a formal publication, but here? C’mon.
That said, I’m disappointed.
Chumpsky, I gathered you had a serious book collection from those acre-long posts of yours, and you had a workload of cites demanded from your detractors, but jeez. You could do a hell of a lot better. You find an idea you like, that’s great, but you have toss the text aside and write your own take from scratch. It’s always best to overattribute sources than the reverse. Otherwise, you get this mess.
Not quite. Allowing a poster to post copyrighted material without attribution or permission (in the case of longer chunks of material) places our kindly hosts, the Chicago Reader people, in a position that is, at a minimum, awkward and, at a maximum, legally dangerous. It simply can’t be allowed here.
Hats off to RedFury.
I say we refer to all future cases of plagiarism on the SDMB as “pulling a Chumpsky”
Fenris, where’s the part where Chumpsky appears with burnt feathers and/or his beak askew?
And Jackmanii, with a name (and worldview) like Chumpsky’s, he might very well
…have a friend a Minsk
Who has a friend in Pinsk
Whose friend in Omsk
Has friend in Tomsk
With friend in Akmolinsk…
In something of a defence of Chumpsky, he probably memorized these passages for use in debate and honestly didn’t mean to plagiarize them.
After all, that’s pretty much what philosophy was while I was in college, reguritating other peoples words at the drop of a hat so you seem smarter and deeper than everyone else. That way, you can attack the others for their stupidity and shallowness and get all the girls.
Chumpsky is just following his moral compass. Those are the people’s words, after all…