Sure I have. I mentioned several countries. How about we take Cuba? Just for the sake of argument, I will pick Cuba to compare against similar capitalist countries. I am not going to play your game of picking the “best” socialist country, because such a designation would be meaningless. States develop in historical contexts; they cannot be placed in a vacuum.
Now, where is that example of a socialist state that has been allowed to develop in peace?
Russia or China.
If you think about it chumpsky, the US wasn’t able to form in peace either. But we’re doing OK compared to your socialist paradises.
And I guess your definition of plagiarism differs from mine. And Webster’s.
Chumpsky
There’s an old Spanish saying that describes your situation perfectly, and it goes like this: "Para muestra, basta un boton’. In case your Spanish is not as fluent as your Copypastish, its English equivalent goes something like this: “You’ve made your bed; now lie in it.”
If you had an ounce of integrity left, you would have owned up to what you did, plagiarize, plain and simple. But because you don’t and you didn’t, I feel that further denouncement is called for.
In this post you pose as a certain James Craven, of the Dept. of Economics at Clark College, Vancouver WA, when you write:
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and so does he – almost:
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Took me all of five minutes and just another random post of yours to find the above example. Now, tell me with a straight face that if I do the same with any number of your other posts, I won’t find the same results? But I warn you, odds are I’ll become a reformed atheists before I believe in you after this whole charade.
In closing, allow me to address this part of your response where you play the “hurt lamb.” That part does sound a lot more like it’s coming from the newly revised mental image I have of you:
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Hard as it may be for you to believe – although, at this point, I’ll put my credibility against yours, anytime, any place – I opened this thread, with just that intent. See, I was about to praise not only your passion, but your restraint in the face of the onslaught you were facing. Not because I happen to agree with all the rethoric you (well, not you) wrote (I’m too old, too cynical for that), but because I felt you’d managed to stay under control – unike many other posters – and that alone was worth the praise.
At this point, I’m sure you could have done without that 'first post of mine" in one of your threads…and you know what? I’m getting no pleasure from it either.
In fact, I am done, both with this thread and you.
Good night and good luck.
Chumpsky, you are toast.
Well done, RedFury!
RedFury: I have never heard of James Craven before. The figures for compensation to ITT and GM are well known. That paragraph was written from memory. That it may resemble a similarly worded statement written somewhere on the net … could it be coincidental? How the fuck else would you write it? Jesus christ.
Really?
So, Russia was allowed to develop in peace? I suppose that whole “cold war” thing was just something that happened in the movies?
First off, full marks for trying to shrug off the most blatant case of plagiarism. I’ve seen in years. Similarly worded? Good joke, that chap.
Secondly, you asked for countries that had been allowed to develop in peace, then discount Russia and China because of the cold war. By that standard, please name one country in the world that has had peaceful development during the last 50 years.
Third, why the fuck am I even bothering. After god knows how many posts of you deliberately dodging the issue, we have Redfury’s excellent posts exposing your plagiarism. At one point I least thought you had the courage of your beliefs, but your constant spin, rhetoric and evasion have pretty much convinced me that you really have nothing to say.
By that token the US was not allowed to develop in peace or was the Cold War only a one way street of American aggression? Russia was allowed to develop in peace by America just as much as America was allowed to develop in peace by Russia.
Fact of the matter is if Communism can only survive in a world where each country is allowed to “develop in peace” then it’s not a really robust political system at all.
>> I suggest that people read my entire post, and then read Maas’ essay, and decide for themselves if this is an example of plagiarism. If you really think that is plagiarism, well, we have different opinions on what constitutes plagiarism.
Yes, it is plagiarism. It is stealing someone else’s work and your excuse is ludicrous and laughable. Chumpsky you are not only an idiot but a dishonest idiot.
I totally deny that I plagiarized the sentences regarding ITT and GM. This was simple coincidence.
This is amazing. From the very first days of the Russian Revolution, Russia has been under constant attack from the western capitalist powers. Directly after the revolution, 14 capitalist states, including the U.S., even invaded Russia to try to overthrow the revolution. And, the next 70 years the Soviets faced constant threats from the west. During the Cold War, the Soviets put forth offer after offer to the U.S. to reduce the nuclear stockpiles, and to live in peace, always rejected by the U.S.
Russia is sort of the OPPOSITE of an example of a state that has been allowed to develop in peace.
I’ll ask again: Where has there ever been a socialist state that has been allowed to develop in peace?
You are clearly lying.
You know, I have no knowledge of this invasion, and would thank you for a reference. Nonetheless, you may not have noticed but the whole of the continent was a somewhat noisy place at the time, with most of europe ritually invading each other at the drop of the hat. There was the Russo-Japanese war in 1905, and 9 years later World War 1. Against this backdrop of invasion and counterinvasion, do you really think Russia has been singled out? Shit, I take it France has also had it’s development similarly stifled, and as for Germany…
Are you mad, or just ignorant? That is the most simplistic, one sided, ridiculously biased take of the Cold War I’ve ever seen. “live in peace” - Cuban missile crisis, Kruschev’s “we will bury you”, invasion of afghanistan…oh yeah, Russia was always the good guy trying to stay out of a fight, huh? Honestly, it was always that nasty old USA that stirred it up.
You know, I’m not American. Plenty of people on this board view me as a left wing, US criticising git. But at least I’m not so myopic that I look at the history of the last 50 years and just ignore every damn thing that doesn’t fit neatly into a half grasped theory of social control.
Has anyone reported Chumpsky to a mod?
That is hilarious!
As Gary said, even some of the Leftists here are calling you a nutjob. Now we can add ‘plagerizing, unintentional comic’.
Here’s a question for ya. Are there any evils in the world that the US is NOT responsible for?
>> I totally deny that I plagiarized the sentences regarding ITT and GM. This was simple coincidence.
Yeah, sure, of course it was a coincidence. Just like Cuba is a worker’s paradise.
What a jerk.
You’re kidding, right? Israel was strongly socialist until the late 60’s - it kept us from starvng to death. Hell, May 1st was a national holiday until the seventies.
Of course, once we started to reach a certain level of prosperity we realized that socialism was holding us back, so we abandoned it, but Israel still has free universal health care, advanced welfare and much better labor laws than the U.S.
The sad thing (not counting the plagiarism, which was so easily avoidable by merely linking to the referenced material as a cite) is Chumpsky’s historical ignorance. He cited the Russian Revolution of 1917 as a paradigm of socialist development, but is he talking about the Provisional Government under Kerensky after the Tsar was forced to abdicate or the Bolshevik’s hijacking of the Russian state? He seems wholly ignorant that Lenein even flirted with a brief bout of capitalism during the first 5-year plan, and he praises a government (Russia in the 1960s) which persecuted Jews, suppressed political dissidents, and invaded Czechoslovakia in 1968 to crush a brief blossoming of democracy. Moreover, it provided a much lower standard of living for its citizens than did the US.
He is not just “ignorant”, rather he is lying and acting in bad faith, as his not admitting to stealing someone else’s words clearly shows. He is a liar and he thinks he can fool others but the only one he’s fooling is himself, which just shows what a big fool he is.
You know, I’ve been on the SDMB for years and have more than 3500 posts to my credit. I’ve drawn from many, many sources in writing posts on a great many subjects, and not once have I ever written paragraphs word-for-word from other sources, or close to word-for-word, the way Chumpsky has.
In school, we called that “plagiarism.” I knew that was wrong and deceitful when I was eight years old.
I find it hysterically funny that in another thread Chumpsky insinuated he’s on the same side as George Orwell. Orwell, above all else, wanted honesty in language. When you’re saying that plagiarism isn’t plagiarism, that’s not honesty. It’s lying.
I hate it how they want to extend the Christmas season. When I was a kid it didn’t last more than two weeks and that is the only time we were expected to love each other. The rest of the year we were free to hate each other’s guts.
oops, wrong thread. Please ignore the previous post. Maybe a mod can delete both?