Cerri, was the area under a disaster declaration or not?
Duffer, I wasn’t questioning or doubting that it wasn’t. I was simply clarifying that the disaster declaration was not, in fact, made in pre-response to Katrina, as McClellan stated.
I wasn’t trying to jump on you over it. I was just wondering what the disaster declaration timeline was. There is way too much information to absorb to be up on everything. Thanks for the response. 
Ah, okies. =) You’re welcome.
To reiterate, it is my understanding that the region was under a disaster declaration several days before Katrina hit land, but it was actually declared so not in pre-response to Katrina as McClellan tried to imply, but in response to Tropical Storm Cindy, which had hit seven weeks previously.
Whew, such language. You running for Vice President?
Is it out of line to ask Bush to protect us citizens? I seem to recall after September 11, 2001 a special department in our ever expanding government that was created to handle security matters ‘round the ol’ homeland.
We had a good idea how that this was going to be a biggy by at least Thursday last week, if not earlier. You see the headlines today?
- National Guard Reaches NO (Nola.com)
- HELP AT LAST (CNN)
- HELP ARRIVING (MSNBC)
That would be, let me see, eight days later by my estimation. This was something we saw coming, and it’s been a disaster to handle. Do you think we’re ready for another terrorist attack? Do you care?
You know something, folks?
All of you SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
It doesn’t matter one goddam bit whose “fault” this was. What matters now is that we all need to quit bitching and armchair quarterbacking and get off of our sorry asses and do something to help. I’ve donated money, clothes and time. What have you done besides bitch? Did you go to redcross.org and make a donation? Have you sent clothing or toys or canned goods? If you did, thank you. If you haven’t, go do it right now.
Let’s put this childish political assbiting on hold at least until the city of New Orleans is pumped dry and starting to rebuild, okay? Until then, let’s expend our energies toward helping those who have been totally fucked over by the hurricane. After that, you can start back in with the bitching about how bad Bush is because he didn’t come down there personally and suck all the water out with a straw by himself.
Some of us can bitch and help at the same time.
Are we playing “I care more because I’ve donated $20 to The Victims” now? If so, why don’t you go down there and suck all the water out with a straw. That means you care most of all and we will all be impressed by your mightiness.
Vice President? Nope. I want full power. I’m running on the Dictator ticket. I hear dictators have the highest standard of living. 
Newsweek agrees on Bush’s poor leadership and the general mis-management.
You know, on a message board that has the motto and goal of fighting ignorance, it’s nice to see someone post a message like this. It makes us more aware of what we are up against, and why it’s probably a losing battle.
:wally
Do you even know what the word “ignorace” means?
And I’ve personally donated money, clothes, and time myself. Does that mean it’s OK for me to bitch?
I believe the government (on all levels) failed the people in this disaster. I think it’s critically important for everyone to speak up and demand that it not happen again. You can disagree if you want; you’re certainly entitled to your opinion. However, that you disagree doesn’t make me ignorant.
Yes. Apparently better than you do.
No. That was the entire point of my post. Bitching does no good whatsoever right now. We need to solve the crisis. Then we can sit around and bitch. Doing them in reverse order benefits no one. And thank you for donating.
No argument there. But as I said, my point is that bitching now does not help.
And BTW, your response to my shut up post was just an ad hominem attack against me. That’s one of the main reasons I labelled it ignorant; ad hominem attacks are usually nothing more than a public display of ignorance. When the facts can’t be refuted, attack the messenger.
Enough. Let’s drop this until the crisis is over. Then you and I can stand next to each other and take turns pointing out who screwed the pooch on this whole deal, and that will take us a while because that pooch was gangbanged.
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As the days and weeks pass, we’ll see how blameless the White House and Homeland Security and FEEMA have been.
I stand by my OP…QUOTE]
I started this thread back on August 30th and was considered a wild-eyed, crackpot for daring to insinuate that Bush had any responsibility for the utter mismanagement of the entire crisis.
Now it looks like Bush himself is backtracking as fast as he can. Who knows, maybe during his speech on Thursday, hell really could freeze over and he will admit he fucked up. I doubt he will really admit anything, but will wait until Thursday to see how he spins it.
However, in reading other threads on the subject, I have noticed that some of those who eagerly posted here, and were so indignant that anyone would dare blame Bush for any facet of this crisis, seemed to have disappeared of late.
Maybe this is an indication the writing really is on the wall.
At least you’ll watch the speech with an open mind. :rolleyes: Drop your own prejudice before demending others do the same. Christ, you really are omnipotent, aren’t you?
It’s not enough that Bush admits fault, and a bunch of Right-Wing Trogs[sup]TM[/sup] post to various threads that there were deficiencies, you can’t let it go. Have you ever conceded that the Feds weren’t the sole party responsible? Didn’t think so. Shows who is open to debate, and who just looks for reasons to hate. Thanks for bringing up that Bush is bad. It’s been awhile sice we were reminded. :rolleyes: :wally
He’s already stepped up and said that he takes full responisbility for whatever fuckups there were on the federal side…there was a statement on CNN’s website last night in fact. The problem with your OP and why folks may have considered you ‘wild-eyed’ was because you jumped right out with little data and tried to heap everything on Bush…instead of trying to be fair and look at the issue without the cartoon universe filters on full blast. There were a LOT of folks who were to blame…and for a rather long time at that…for what happened. In addition, some of whats being blamed on whoever (Bush, FEMA, Congress/Senate, ACoE, local government, whoever else) really was outside of human control…the event really was that big and that devastating.
Myself, I’m at the 60/30/10 stage myself…I blame the local/regional governments about 60 percent for the various fuckups, Bush and the federal government about 30 percent and say that 10% was basically outside of anyones control…it just happened. YMMV.
-XT
Y’know, I blame people for this entire disaster. From the people who thought it was a good idea to build a city in a swamp to the people, who elected the people to administer and govern, to the elected officials at every level, to the folks who left the elderly and disabled behind, right down to the folks who simply refused to leave.
People are at the heart of virtually every human tragedy. We ought to line up the entire lot against the wall and have them shot.
:rolleyes:
That’s right. Especially when I had to hear your sage words of wisdom:
“Shut the fuck up and do something about it. Sitting in your own little world dreaming up things to blame on Bush doesn’t match up to what FEMA, Congress and Bush are doing. They, unlike you, are doing everything they can.”
Ah yes, butthead. Your calming words of wisdom and assurance that we are in good hands with FEMA, Congress and Bush has proven to be absolute duffer bullshit.
So how about you sit on your own little world and twirl.
And the reason I jumped right out was because, unlike Bush, I actually watch the news and could see people screaming for help and could hear CNN saying nobody was helping these people and had to watch this on television while Dubya was golfing and picking up guitars. Any normal, intelligent leader of a country would have gotten his ass down there, or near there, ASAP.
In the meantime, you immediately started the Republican Party conga line with your soothing:
“What I’m coming to realize is that the problem here was one of preparation and forsight…not leadership after the fact. In fact, Bush attempted to get the ball rolling on this thing days before the hurricane struck…”
Ah yes, xtisme, Dubya is at the helm - we can all calm down now, everything is under control. And he did a damned fine job of it, didn’t he?
Did I say that somewhere? Huh. Must have missed it. Could you point out where I said GW did a fine job and that everything is under control?
Sure, and like my two year old who throws the same kind of tantrum, you want it done now, exactly as you want it, and you don’t want to be bothered with any of the pesky details as to WHY its not being done to your satisfaction…or why it can’t be. I got that before…I didn’t really need for you to point it out again.
Basically you wanted to blame it all on Bush. You wanted a Bush bash fest in this thread, devoid of any discordant notes…and by and large you didn’t get it here (at that time). Most of the folks in this thread realized that Bush was to blame…but that he wasn’t the ONLY one to blame, or maybe even the main person to blame. Many realized that to some extent NO ONE was to blame for much of what happened…it was a disaster, and the scale of the disaster was overwhelming. Some realized that while waving your hands and screaming for him to DO something, what could be done was by and large being done, and that the problems that you didn’t want to burden yourself with (like logistics, staging, support, etc) were a bit more complex to solve in the disaster area than you were willing to acknowledge.
In the end you STILL want to just rail at Bush and pin it all on him. Well, at least you picked the right forum. Maybe you’ll get more traction now than you did when you first put this OP out as more folks are riled up about this today than when you first posted this.
-XT