As discussed here numerous times, few gay people are all gay or straight people all straight…
I would say the OP question is quite rude. But might fit in MHO as a poll.
As discussed here numerous times, few gay people are all gay or straight people all straight…
I would say the OP question is quite rude. But might fit in MHO as a poll.
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Wildest Bill, you really need to click on the links in my signature - the Gay Guy answers all. (For the record, I’ve only ever dated one woman, in high school, for like 3 dates, and they were quite nice. Figured out it wasn’t what I wanted freshman year of college. Many women find me attractive. Go fig.)
And no, no woman could turn me straight, nor would I want to be so turned. However, I will admit having a sexual fascination with Sophia Loren and, to a lesser degree, Jeri Ryan, but only if she wears her Seven of Nine prosthetics. And had I been born with other plumbing, I would love to have a tumble with Melissa Etheridge - she rocks.
Esprix
How about this for a serious answer. The question should be, is there any woman that you, as a gay person, would consider having sex with. If they are open minded, then the answer would be yes. If they are closed minded (like many in the gay community are) the answer would be no. If you asked a heterosexual man if there is any man he would consider having sex with. If he is open minded, the answer would be yes, if he is closed minded the answer is no.
Now how about this. Is there any woman that a gay man would consider spending the rest of his life with and giving up sex with other men for. If he says yes, this indicates he is bi-sexual, not straight. So although you can turn him bi, you most definetely can’t turn him straight. hahahaha we win again!
Um, oldscratch, this is a pretty damn closeminded statement, not to mention ignorant.
You really think it makes sense to say that the average gay person is more close-minded about sex than the average straight person? Even if making such a sweeping generality weren’t such, well, such a sweeping generality, it would be a completely nonsensical statement.
I don’t know how many people would share my ‘view’ on homosexuality (I am a gay male, for the record), but sometimes–the question of attraction comes more strongly from within your mind than from physical appearances.
There are women that I have found attractive. Some even very sexy. What makes me gay isn’t the fact that I’m attracted to more men than women–it comes from asking yourself “When you imagine finding that person you love, and settling down, is it with a man, or a woman?”
And for me–the answer has always been a man. Maybe if there were ever a woman who was tomboyish enough to ‘sway’ me, it might happen. but the simple fact is–I feel more -comfortable- with men…and feel nervous and alienated around women. Do any other people out there have similar beliefs?
besides–men got better penises.
-Ashley
I didn’t say anything about being more closeminded. I spoke of being closeminded. Which, here in sf, many people are. They also fit that stupid Castro Clone stereotype. the fact is many (although not a majority thankfully) fit the stereotype. They regard heterosex as “icky” and get all uptight when they see displays of breeder affection. I had two friends get kicked out of The Cafe for kissing. The problem? they happened to be a straight couple. Frankly, I’m disturbed by the level of close-mindedness by many in the gay community here. Although, I do understand where it comes from.
Oldscratch… I think this statement is ridiculous.
“If you asked a heterosexual man if there is any man he would consider having sex with. If he is open minded, the answer would be yes, if he is closed minded the answer is no.”
There isn’t a man on this planet I would consider having sex with.
Am I close minded or just straight?
I think that all women are one drink away from a hot lesbian encounter… this makes about as much sense.
Well, in that case you are a close minded straight person. Sex does not make your sexual orientation. You can be a gay virgin. You can have sex with a man and not be gay. The fact that you wouldn’t even consider it makes you, in my mind, close minded.
Scratch, this is the old “how do you know you don’t like it if you’ve never tried it?” argument, portrayed adeptly by Christina Ricci’s character in The Opposite of Sex. It’s nonsense. I don’t have any inclination to sleep with a man, any man, and many of my gay friends have no inclination to sleep with a woman. That’s not closed-mindedness; it’s being aware of your sexual orientation.
I submit that a straight person who considers sleeping with someone of the same sex isn’t wholly straight. They are, to some degree–and almost by definition–bisexual. Ditto if you’re gay.
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And people who hate blacks aren’t close minded, they’re just racist. Anyone who refuses to consider the possibility of something, because they are “straight” “gay” whatever, is close minded. Not on all issues, but on the issue of sexual orientation.
No. Again, it depends on sexual attraction. Gay men who spend the first 30 years of their lives considering sleeping with women and gasp sleeping with them, only to come to the realisation that they are gay, are not bisexual. They are gay and have been brainwashed into being straight. I’ve got a number of gay friends who have slept with women to find out what it was like. The columnist Dan Savage did it at one time. I wouldn’t call him bisexual, I wouldn’t call my friends bisexual. Openminded is what I would call them. Refusing to let labels dictate what they do. Being curious what it’s like to be blown by Brad Pitt does not make you gay or bisexual. It makes you curious.
…and to further complicate matters, I am going to submit that sexuality is not neatly divided into three categories (straight, gay, bi). Rather it is a spectrum. I think we should make a distinction between “who you’d consider having sex with”, and “who’d you consider having a relationship with”. The answer will be the same for most people, but for some the former category may be somewhat larger than the latter.
To my mind, this makes the idea of “turning” from one orientation to another harder to accommodate.
So to answer the OP: is there any woman who would “turn” me straight? “Turn”? No, in the sense that I do not think there is any person who would “change” my inherent self the way you are suggesting. Is it possible that I might find a woman with whom I’d want to have a long-term relationship, with whom I might be comfortable sexually i.e. that I might discover that I actually fall closer to the middle of the spectrum than I currently think I do? Yes, it is possible. I think it is possible for everyone. Unlikely, the older one gets and the better one knows oneself, but not impossible.
I hope this makes some sense. It’s been a long day and I fear my powers of articulation have faded somewhat.
I know a woman who has turned plenty of gay men straight.
Her name is Helga, and she does wonders with electroshock and aversion therapy.
<rant mode> NO way buster! <rant mode off>
Oldstratch, please answer this honestly: Would you consider having sex with an animal? Perhaps you would. There are many would who would not consider such a thing. Do you think that they are close-minded, or perhaps you might say (as Gadarene did) that it is a matter of being aware of one’s sexual orientation?
The thought of having sex with an animal revolts me. In that way, yes I am close minded. My mind is closed on the subject. It is not open to possibilitys of hot beaver loving. Although, with that, you get into the moral issues of consent. Same goes with sex with children. Someone who doesn’t belive that you should have sex with children isn’t close minded. Someone who thinks they dislike cheese, and refuses to try anything with cheese in it is.
Let me ask some other questions. Would you (heterosexuals) have sex with a woman with a penis? What about a man with a vagina and breasts, transvestites? A woman who thought she was a man?
An IMHO OP, which GQers turned around into a GQ responses (great job, BTW!), a GD conclusion, and real Pit possibilities. What the heck am I supposed to do with this thread? I only have a coin – my dice are at home.
What the heck. Great Debates for now, David B or Gaudere can move it downstairs if things get ugly.
WB, human sexual expression covers a whole spectrum, like MJH2 commented. It’s not something like a dominant/recessive gene or a DIP switch in a computer. Some people have purely heterosexual feelings, like yourself, while some have purely homosexual feeling, like me. And the vast majority of humanity falls inbetween, I’m fairly sure; just consider Monday Night football!
Changing one’s sexual orientation isn’t like flipping a switch or changing a setting on a computer, its ingrained in a one’s personality. To change it, or even attempt to change it would radically alter who that person is. Both the AMA and the APA roundly criticize the attempts, too.
There’s never been a independently documented case of a person with wholly homosexual feelings changing to wholly heterosexual feelings.
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I would too! (And I’m straight!)
My twist to the question was:
As a gay man, are there ANY women you find sexually attractive? **
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If you mean sexually, as in they make me think “damn!”, and want them, then no, none. But, if you mean do I find any women physically attractive (as in i can see why straight men get excited over them) then yes, I’ve seen many (A quote I like is “I may be gay, but i’m not blind” (I think someone on this board said that a while ago)).
For instance, I can see why many guys lust after Britney Spears (Sorry to bring her up, but I was at a friend’s house tonight and he lusts after her), but I dont find her sexually attractive. I’m not sure if there’s any woman out there that i’d want to have sex with. It may be possible, but unlikely (I wont rule out the possibility, but i dont see it happening).
I like Ashtar’s question: “When you imagine finding that person you love, and settling down, is it with a man, or a woman?” For me, it’s a man. I really dont see myself settling down with a woman for the rest of my life.
I resent what Wildest Bill is implying. Do you actualy think that merely sleeping with a woman would change someone’s sexual orientation? Do you realy think that the sexual act is all homosexuality is about?
How shallow and thoughtless!
Accept my apologiesfor any spelling mistakes, and or logical inconsistenceies, as wellas crude jokes. I’mon drink number 9 right now. At Sue Duhnym’s wonderful birthday party. And the space key works inconsistently.
More on open mindedness, gayness, etc…
Doobieousis one of the gayer people I know, yet he is a virign. Obviously, sex does not make you gay. Sexual attraction does. Whatwould one call Dan Savage? Is he more open minded than you because he is willing to have sex with the opposite sex? Or is he more close minded? It’s got to be one or the other. I would vote open-minded.
What about people in prison. People who are willing to have sex with people of the same sex. I would most certainly ca;; them open minded about sex. They realise that sex does not make one’s sexual orientation Also see exampleof 49ers.
Also, I would indeed have sex with Ernest Borgnine. Imagine the conversation’s I could have with that one. 20 minutes of unpleasentness for a lifetime of bragging rights.
Question for origonal poster: Is there a gay guy out there who would convert you?
Genes. Remember them?