Holly Jones was abducted while walking home from a friend’s home on Monday evening.
A man walking his dog on Tuesday afternoon found parts of her body and the police found the rest of what had been a beautiful little girl along the waterfront.
The suspect is still at large and police are interviewing the 200 registered sex offenders who live in the area around the Jones’ home for clues.
Yes… that’s 200.
So, can I wish a painful, lingering death on the sick fuck that perpetrated this heinous act?
Because really, whoever did this deserves nothing less.
Never ever will I be able to comprehend what would drive someone to commit such an act. Were it not to be fact, I’d never believe man to be capable of such.
I agree. I live in between the place she disappeared from and the place she turned up in. As I was happily watching a NOVA tape about seahorses (they’re awesome!), some asshole was dumping bits of little girl in the lake not a half mile from my house.
They say that he was probably known to Holly, which is terrifying - what message does this send except “Fear people who you know”? Ugh.
Fortunately, they say he will be caught soon. They were fortunate to find the remains within a day which means clues are much easier to get.
There was a sad piece in the Globe this morning about the impact on the neighborhood in general.
I should have stuck to the more clinical treatments-- when I got to the part about how Holly’s mum has been repeatedly playing Meat Loaf’s For Crying Out Loud, because they used to like to sing it together, I pretty much lost it
Jesus. It’s amazing how a real tragedy can transform something so essentially trite into something that rips your heart out.
I watched the news the other night when Marie Jones was pleading for Holly’s abductor to please bring her home safely and not to hurt her.
Tears were streaming down her face as she begged for her daughters safe return.
Perhaps I shouldn’t be wishing death on the fucker that did this… as a father of two wonderful girls and two boys I’d be more than happy to rip this fuckers heart from his chest with my bare hands.
I have a 10 year old daughter. If this happened to her, and I confronted the person who did it, I would possibly kill him. I’m rather pacifistic, but I could kill him if I knew he was truly the one.
What disturbs me the most is that a 10-year-old was allowed to walk her friend home, and then return by herself for a 15 minute walk. http://canada.com/national/story.asp?id=B60904E2-910D-407C-98E6-730A9A512F29 Nevermind how streetsmart she may have been. She was fucking 10 YEARS OLD!. Does no one see that the parents are partly to blame?
I let my 10-year-old daughter walk to her girlfriend’s house four doors away. Would I let her walk by herself a block away in my safe neighborhood? No. She is 10.
samclem, I honestly don’t think a 10-year-old is more in danger walking around than a 15-year-old, or a 20-year-old.
In fact, based on my pretty extensive experience of walking round by myself from about that age I’d say the dangers are considerably less for a ten-year-old … there’s a relatively limited number of sick fucks drooling after 10-year-old girls but there are plenty on the lookout for inexperienced teenagers to molest.
If she was, in fact, killed by someone she knew (and trusted), then how would being any older than 10 protect her from them? Even if she was killed by a stranger, same thing - a fifteen-year-old isn’t that much stronger than a ten-year-old, and ten is plenty old enough to know rule #1 - don’t get in cars with people you don’t know.
(And on the OP … yes, it is incredible and very depressing to think there are people out there who would do something like this. Thank God there aren’t many of them though)
Sorry Sam - the parents are not to blame that some sicko murdered their kid.
I’m sure it makes you feel better to think “Well, nothing like this will ever happen to my child, because I don’t let her walk home alone.” but to suggest for a minute that the parents are to blame is absurd.
Did you notice some of the media reporting focused on the fact that “Holly Jones refused ride home” (from her friend’s mother.) It made me uncomfortable because it conveys to me “Holly could have been safe, but she made the wrong choice!”
I don’t live in that neighbourhood, so I can’t say much about this particular situation, but when I was 10, my friends and I were allowed to be out, unsupervised, in a decent-sized area around our neighbourhood. We were also allowed to walk to and from school and that was a ten minute walk (one way). I think that’s acceptable for 10 year old children.
It takes two seconds to grab a child, and it could have happened while she was sleeping in bed, playing on her front lawn, or walking home from school.
My heart bleeds for her poor family. This is a terrible, terrible thing and nothing will make it better again for her family. Poor Holly, she didn’t deserve to go through this. It’s just such a terrible shame.
If you can back that up with a cite, I’ll be amazed. You’re full of shit. Pervs grab 10-year-olds like candy. They can’t fight like 15-year-olds or 20-year olds.
Great anechdotal evidence. I don’t doubt that there are lots of guys out there looking to hit on a 15-20 year old for some quick and easy sex…
Of course, a 15-year old girl is slightly stronger than a 10-year old. :mad:
alice_in_wonderland said
Too black and white a view. The parents are partially to blame, as I said. I’m not blaming the parents over the perv. Read my response. And when you say that "I’m sure it makes you feel better to think… you’re ascribing motives to my post. It doesn’t make me feel better. I feel sick that this poor girl was killed. Don’t put words in my mouth. :mad: The parents are partially to blame because they allowed a 10-year-old to walk 15 minutes by herself. Irresponsible.
Wow, that’s one of the fastest self-contradictions I’ve ever seen.
This page shows victims of homicide by age, and while the 0-11 group is larger than the 12-17 group, the former specifically includes infanticide. Even then, the younger group had only 23 victims in 2001, hardly candy-like.
This page describes a rate of sexual assault in 2001 as 78.6 per 100,000. I’d be happy to be on a diet that only had a 0.000786 rate of candy.
Both these pages are from Stats Canada. Violent and/or sexual assault of anyone (including minors) is very serious, but let’s not argue by hyperbole, here. A 10-year old girl in a familiar neighborhood is actually pretty damn safe pretty much anywhere in Canada.
You yourself are sufficiently full of shit to be marketed as a fertilizer substitute.
sam - there are a pretty clear cut set of reasons why people blame the victim.
Making themselves feel safer and better is close to #1 on the list.
I’m certainly not suggesting that you’re not sick about this girls death - we all are. Her parents, however, behaved in a manner that would be considered perfectly normal and safe in any Canadian city. The have 0% share of the blame in this horror story.
Well, the jury will be able to wish death upon this person if he or she is caught, so I guess you can. I think the anti death-wishing provision is mostly for people who did not commit capital crimes.
(Now, I personally am against the death penalty, so I will not be wishing death upon this person, as sick and twisted as he or she may be. One death is already one too many.)
BTW, Bryan Ekers, way to back up a statement with facts and cites in the Pit, going above and beyond the call of duty
Wrongo. This crime happened in Canada - I don’t think we’ve had the death penality since about 1972 (or there abouts.)
Personally, I’m glad about this - for reasons that I’m sure would start a whole other pit thread, so I’ll just keep them to myself.
That being said, there really are some criminals that I wouldn’t weep for if they say, got a home-made shiv in the ribs there first day in, if ya know what I mean.
I don’t like this part of my psyche, but there it is.
Maybe we can’t wish death on the guy, but I sure hope I can say that he’s slowly picked apart, one piece of flesh at a time, with tweezers, and a needle to grind up his bones.
“…but I sure hope I can say that I won’t shed a tear if he’s slowly picked apart…”
Ladies and Gentlemen, it’s 4:11 AM and I just drove up from Irvine. I’m tired. I’m exhausted. And I just read about one of the most heinous acts I can imagine. Forgive my absentmindedness, and my underpants.
alice and Aspidstra. Sorry if I got carried away in my response.
I may be responding from a US point of view. I can’t imagine that very many parents in the US would assume that their 10-year old girl was safe, walking alone for 15 minutes, in many settings. Canada may be, indeed, much safer. And Australia. I guess I need to go Googling.
Bryan. Thanks for the statistics. I WAS hyperbolic. I suspect that stats are skewed by parent’s behavior.
If 100,000 parents of kids between the ages of 6-11 allowed their kids to walk alone for a distance of say, one mile from home, then I would expect that there might be more sexual assaults and murders in that age group. Even in Canada, I’d expect a significant number of parents do NOT allow their 6-11 year olds to walk that far for that long by themselves.
Usingt the next set of statistics for the 12-17 group, parents almost certainly allow their children, whether male or female, more freedom. I do. And children in that wide age group are bigger and stronger and (sometimes) are able to make better judgements in dangerous situations.
Let’s assume for a minute that the murderer of Holly was a pedophile. I think that I’m making a good assumption. As Aspidistra pointed out, and I reacted to rather badly, a plain and simple rapist(sorry to oversimplify) who is just looking for some quick sex might more likely be expected to attack a girl who is 12-17. I know it’s not that simple. But I don’t think pedophiles bother much with 15-17 year old girls as they can’t control them the way they could a 6-11 year old of either sex.
I need to end this post and go looking for some info/stats that will clarify my position. I know that I’m rambling on without providing much proof.
Apologies around for my tone in previous posts. I can be rather an egomaniac sometimes.
404 murder cases out of a total of 536 were solved (75%). So if that rate’s consistent, at least 60% of murdered kids that year were killed by parents, and quite possibly none at all by strangers
In Oz, the 10-14 age group are by far the least likely to be murdered:
I calculate from the table and the notes at the bottom that probably about 50 kids under 14 were killed in Oz (by anyone at all, including parents). 127 died in 1994 from car accidents. But if Holly had been run over by a car on the way home, we would never have heard about it.
Just a thought- a 15 minute walk to a 10 year old is comparable to perhaps a 5 minute one to an adult. It is entirely feasible that the parents thought it to be a shorter walk. In any event, I think that the emphasis should be on the sick fuck who did this… not that the parents felt their neighborhood was safe for their 10 year old to walk in.
