Hey PinkMarabou and BCS -- Bring it here

The BBQ Pit
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Background:
inkleberry started this thread about a smell of cat piss in her apt.
Discussion got around to “cat piss smell” may = “meth lab”
Discussion follows including a few disdainful remarks about meth cookers, the people who endanger others by cooking up Meth in a lab.

Washoe makes a strong statement of dislike for Meth users

PinkMarabou wonders if Washoe was tossing out a whoosh and claims to know many valedictorians who do Meth.

Bubbadog attempts to do the math on the odds that anybody would even know many valedictorians much less know many valedictorians who do meth. Bubbadog wonders if PinkMarabou is whooshing (Note at this time Bubbadog has not sided with Washoe but simply challenges the “many valedictorians on Meth” statement and before anyone else does it I call “Many Valedictorians on Meth” – Bandname!)

PinkMarabou reaffirms the “valedictorian**(s)**” and asks Bubbadog if he knows any Meth users.

Bubbadog ponders, remembers the only two Meth users he knew of, and replies indicating that these users weren’t in too good of health.

It gets good here –

Bitterness Comes Standard wanders in (a noted accomplishment considering navigating with a head up the ass) and makes condescending remarks.

Bubbadog cheerfully calls Bitterness Comes Standard an asshole.

BCS counters with some brilliant(?) gay insult. Head appears to still be up the ass.

PinkMarabou quotes two Bubbadog posts and somehow infers that they contradict. Then launches into an argument about generalizations.
At this point Bubbadog decides that this little drama needs its very own realestate in the pit.

Situation:
OK kids lets bring the hijack to a separate thread and let Inleberry’s thread stay on topic.

For the record:

  1. I didn’t make a generalizing statement. I challenged PinkMarabou’s claim to know “many Meth using valedictorians”
  2. Bitterness Comes Standard is an asshole. A condescending, gay bashing asshole to be precise.
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I contributed to the hijack, so I’ll consolidate my response here.

As I mentioned in the OP (as did others), I have used meth in the past. I don’t think that makes me sub-human as was suggested by some in the thread.

I also don’t consider that to make me a tweaker. And this is where the misunderstanding comes in. I call a tweaker a meth addict. Not somebody who does some to get through school with honors. Not someone who did some while experimenting years ago. A professional meth user. One who does absolutely nothing but buy/cook, sell, and do meth. No job, no desire for a job, no ambition to try to get a job, or go to school, or anything but do meth.

While these people might have started out as fine people (many of the ones I know did), after a few years of meth addiction their goals seem to change.

A girl I went to school with, good friends with her brother. She got married and started doing meth. Left her husband, abandoned her son, stole from everybody, cleaned her parents out, would break into friends houses while they were at work, was caught several times. Still tweaking. Now her son is grown and in the pen for exactly the same thing. Meth use/stealing.

A guy I went to school with, we ran around together. Was married, had a daughter, had a business. Started doing meth. Lost his wife, his daughter, his house, his business. Not long ago was arrested for pulling a knife on a guy in a supermarket who tried to stop him from stealing a bottle of wine. This is the guy who recently came by my house to borrow money. He was a real ladies man back in school, now he has no teeth.

These are just a couple of instances of personal friends, I have plenty more.

The District Attorney from a nearby district. Caught using and selling meth. He was, well, the district attorney. Recently re-elected to a second term. I would hazard a guess that he’s not to happy with where meth landed him.

So yeah, you can do meth and still still be a productive member of society. I have done it and I’m not living on the streets. But when you become a tweaker, one who does nothing but meth, you are in a world of trouble. Like I said, I know crack addicts, and they can’t hold a candle to tweakers.

So flame me all you want. I’ll take it all, but I’d rather have my friends back. And all the posturing and excuses you can throw my way will not bring them back. And this is no baseless account, these are people I’ve known, some of them for almost my entire life.

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And why are things this way? Oh yeah. Bullshit drug laws. I sure wouldn’t feel bad giving money to a dealer when I know the only reason he’s a dealer in the first place is a stupid law.

And I would hardly call being a dealer “effortless.” The physical act of selling drugs isn’t difficult, but there’s always the stress associated with knowing that, at any moment, the police could knock down your door and haul you off to prison for several years. When it comes to hard drugs, you sometimes risk getting killed for your merchandise. Sure, drug dealers make a lot of money, but it’s hazard pay. They live a very risky lifestyle that I freely admit I would never have the balls to dabble in.

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Man, if I wasn’t so good at camouflaging myself, I’d have been included in the OP. Ah well. I’m not really seeing, other than reducing the amount of poor chemistry going on out there, how legalizing methamphetamines is going to really improve life in this country at all. I don’t even think it’s legal in the Netherlands.

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Was i the only one who thought this thread was about college football?

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The freedom to put what you want into your own body without fear of retribution is an improvement, IMHO. Then there’s the money saved on drug enforcement, which will improve lives by lowering taxes. Taxing the sale of drugs will make even more money that could translate into lower taxes for non-users and more treatment options for addicts. There’s also the fact that meth can make people paranoid. Criminalization actually gives them a legitimate reason to be that way. Take that away and much of the paranoia-induced violence will likely go with it. And then, of course, there’s the violence directly related to the sale of valuable and illegal items.

Need I go on?

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There’s a corporate sponsorship! The PinkMarabou Meth Bowl.

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…Walks in with head out of ass :slight_smile:

Thanks for taking a personal interest in my head and ass, and for correcting the usage of the word “nor”.

It is also interesting that I didn’t quote you or was talking specifically to you, before you decided to call me a condescending asshole.

Am I a condescending asshole because you couldn’t think anything better to respond with? Did you take it personal? Hmm. I figured you were not intelligent enough to respond like an adult, so I had to respond on a level that would get your attention. I guess I can check that one off.

I apologize to any gays I might have offended. I am friends with several so before you jump to conclusions that I’m bashing gays is ridiculous. Only a homophobic would have gotten bent out of shape. A simple, “I’m not gay” or “I’m a guy” would have been fine. Maybe you’re a gay basher because you took it as an insult. Would it have been any better if I would have put, “Leave your girlfriend out of this”? You don’t now me but you seem to have taken a personal interest in me. Thanks, I’m flattered.

Why don’t you be a little more honest and not give cliff notes from the thread like FOX does the news…

Responses from the last OP

It is a shame that those Mounties were shot, but it wasn’t a “victimless crime”. The point that other people came around no longer made this a “victimless crime”.

Poor, poor example…

Here is a link to a definition for you…

http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~nifty/victimless.html

If I smoke/drink in my own home and don’t leave how am I hurting you?
Since those of you are so against drugs here is a definition…

So if people who use drugs are such bad people and you wouldn’t want to associate with them, can you tell who would associate with?

Answer the following…

Have you ever had a prescription and then taken the medicine? Have you ever had sip of coffee, or soda? Have you ever taken a pain reliever? Have you ever smoked a cigarette or cigar? Have you ever eaten any food that was processed in some shape way or form? Have you ever had a sip of alcohol? Have you ever met someone who ever has done any of these things?

Chances are 99.99999% of all people have consumed a drug one way or another. So unless you can honestly say no to every question, then go look in the mirror and you’ll find a drug user.

Those of you who use to partake in any drug and now say that you would associate with those who do are in one word… “Hypocrite”

What are you born again? So it was okay when you did it and probably abused the dosage and now it’s not ok for others?

Christ, I’m not a Bush fan and there even tapes he did MJ, if I need to cite that then you aren’t reading CNN or MSNBC.

You have the right to your opinion, but don’t you a broad brush and include all people. If every person I happened to meet was a violent drunk, I “could” form a “personal” opinion that anyone who drinks is a violent idiot that I wouldn’t want at my precious dinner table. Yet because it is impossible to meet everyone who drinks, it would be foolish to “stereotype” them in such a negative manner. To be honest it would be ignorant to do that. There are exceptions to all cases, nothing is 100%.

Unless you are completely against all the above then, does it take the government approve your drugs before they are okay? Just because a doctor prescribes a medication, or you can buy it at the grocery store doesn’t make it any safer than any illegal drug. With any and all drugs, correct dose and understanding is the key.

Bubba - feel free to send me any corrections!!! :slight_smile:

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I want included in the OP, damnit. :smiley: I got a post reported, even. (Still don’t know why, exactly.)

Oh yeah, I’ve done meth, coke, and that’s about as hard as a hit it. I had a euphoric, dangerous year or so (in the other thread I said six months, but that was the bad part of the year) I ultimately took a look at myself in the mirror and realized that to continue using would kill me. I felt it was a choice between life and death. I know a lot of people who never could see it as a choice. They were dealt different cards than I.

Crystal meth and cocaine are two different animals. Meth is so chemical and horrible for you that it can ravage your body and mind in a matter of months. It’s literally made out of poison. Cocaine isn’t a vitamin, but it’s just not in the same category in my mind. I’ve seen lives destroyed by meth. It’s cheap, and it’s easy to obtain. Cocaine is expensive, a weekend drug, or a drug for rich people. Mostly, I’d say the expense is the difference.

Having worked in bars for 10 years, I’ve seen some of the lowest lowlifes you can imagine. I’ve seen beautiful girls waste away and be left with three teeth and some bleeding gums. I’m not exaggerating. Meth will make your teeth rot right out of your crazy head.

Still, a good friend of mine is a pill junkie, admittedly does crack when he can get ahold of it, etc., and is generally a loser. He works irregularly, lives off of his grandma or various girlfriends, and is always talking about how he’s going to get his life together. He’s 35. It’s getting late for his college plan, especially since all he can think about is his next high.

I let him in my house. He doesn’t do drugs in front of me, and I’ll admit, I keep a pretty good eye on him. But I’ve known him for over half my life and I can’t just shut him out. I can’t help him, and I don’t try, but if he needs to talk or wants to hang out and have dinner over here once in a while, I let him.

And sometimes drug people can be good entertainment. As I said in the other thread, my dad has had a painting business for 30 years and boy have we known some characters. I could tell stories all day.

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Bitterness Comes Standard

At least you warned us first. Nice username. :smiley:

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It sounds almost as if you’re glorifying them à la Claude Dallas. I suppose next you’ll be suggesting that drug dealers be memorialized in country songs.

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BCS, some points to consider.

  • You don’t have to be addressing me or my posts for me to call you an asshole. Any old post of yours is subject to my (and others) comments

  • If you can be bothered enough to take a cheap shot at my significant other you can be bothered enough to find out my gender and orientation. There’s over 800 of my posts here. A quick look to a few of them would give you some clues.

  • Don’t apologize to “the gays” here. Most of the SDMB straight population doesn’t like gay bashing either. To be pissed at your remarks I didn’t have to tap into homophobia, just plain human decency.

  • You don’t have a lot of posts and I’m chewing your ass because I didn’t like some of the things you said. But after your last post I like the fact that you waded back into the muck and shot back. I’m looking forward to hearing your opinions on other topics. Who knows, we might even agree about a few things.

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From the other thread:

Well, until they start hallucinating.

I think you’ve got an oxymoron here. You say some people need a stimulant in order to focus and get more work done, then you add the disclaimer “as long as it doesn’t become habit-forming”. But how can something you need not become a habit? People get caught in a cycle: “I need a hit so I can work. I did so much work they gave me more responsibility. So I need more meth. So I can earn more money. So I can get more meth. So I can do more work. So I can get more meth…”

And I don’t recommend meth for anyone who has a lot of work to do and a deadline to meet. People who habitually use meth (and I’m going to assume that if your workload and your meth use feed off each other, you’re a habitual user) go off on tangents a lot. They’re paranoid. They have flashes of irrationality and rage. That makes them less efficient, not more.

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Wow, I got my first pitting, guess that means I’m official now.

Funny that, I was upset about Washoe’s comments and told him it was harsh and he was using the “Broad brush” thing. The comments in particular are:

“You’re doing the right thing. Tweakers are not human. They are intolerable subhumans who have learned how to tie their shoes and in some instances, not defecate on the floor (my sincerest apologies to Robert Heinlein). Always remember this. They should all be locked up into state operated concentration camps, and we should offer monetary rewards for voluntary sterilization.”

It seems the breakdown we had was, as Duke of Rat said, the use of the term “Tweaker”. I took it as anyone who uses tweak (aka, meth). You see, I’m not a professional, as was described above, so maybe I heard incorrectly or someone else used that term too loosely around me. I refer to them as anyone who uses more than . . . umm say a couple times a year. Like the weekend user or once-a-month user.

Anyways, I thought Washoe’s remarks were over the top and I called him on it. That’s how all this started.

The dealer I am familiar with has told me and several friends of mine that she sells to one or more valedictorians at our state university. I don’t know the details surrounding it (nor do I want to, privacy concerns and all), whether or not it was to get through a tough time during school or what. I have not spoken to this person in over 6 months, so I have no idea what happened. The reason I used that was to show that not ALL drug users are slobbering freaks and that even good, honest, intelligent people have used it. Just trying to show comparison.As kidchameleon pointed out to me, my exaggeration was getting the best of me in the heat of an argument.

So BubbaDog comes along and calls me on my posting, fair enough. Then BCS calmly remarked that just because you’ve never seen it, does not mean it does not exist. Bubba then retorts with a snarky comment, “I’ve met a condescending asshole” towards BCS. BCS then gets pissed and retorts with an equally mean comment. I think Bubba’s comments to me were condecending then he tries to tell others not to be condecending?? I say he’s being a hypocrite and he doesn’t seem to get it. Go figure.

So BubbaDog goes running with his tail between his legs and opens this thread to hash out some old aggressions towards me.

Let me make this clear to all: I am NOT a “Tweaker”, not even a regular user. I’ve tried it a couple times, as I’ve tried many things a couple times. I don’t like when people automatically make such damning comments such as “defecating on the floor”. I realize it was a misunderstanding between Washoe and myself and he’s thus apologized (sorry too Washoe, just jumped to conclusions here).

Although it is very important to note what Eyer8 said: “It was people who are better than you (in all ways) recognizing that I wasn’t a subhuman that gave the ability to give that stuff up.” Automatically giving up on people who are addicted to something harmful is not a productive stance, they have a problem that they need help with. Telling them they should be sterilized and are subhuman is low, IMO.

So, BubbaDog good luck with your thread here. You and I do NOT get along, we haven’t since I first came here and that’s fine with me. So pit me all you want. I find it funny though that I get pitted when I was just calling out a “broad brush” instance. Too bad for you. I send a hearty FUCK OFF your way. If maybe you had more than 3 or 4 postings in the thread, you might know what was going on and have a legitimate argument.

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No, I’m not, but you’re free to continue making unwarranted conclusions, then extrapolating from them. Just don’t expect anyone with a brain to take you seriously.

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Awe, shit. The DH was still logged in. The BCS comment was mine, PinkMarabou.

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Pay attention. When a thread shows signs of a major hijack its pretty common (and respectful) to move the issue to a new thread. You’re contridicting yourself to imply that taking an argument to its own forum is “running”.

old aggressions? You’ve been posting for a grand total of one fucking week. Are you a sock? Will you share with all of us where we have a past?

The only people who can read the entire thread are the ones who posted early? This comment is just plain stupid. Especially when it comes from somebody who posted late in the thread.

Its a shame, you showed some promise with post #8 but now you’re just a rambling idiot.

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It appears that PM and BCS are husband and wife, and like many Dopers who share a computer, have a tendency forget to log out the previous user before posting under their own handle. PM was registered in December 2004; BCS registered in January 2005.

That said, no, opening a new thread to avoid further hijacking of the first one is hardly “running”; it’s what you’re supposed to do.

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You wrote the BCS post?

Do you want to explain or should we ask the Mods for help?

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Rilchiam my fat fingers seem to be causing the answers to come before the questions.

I’m confused now. I’m no longer sure whom I’m argueing with so I’ll just go ahead and call both of them bad names. :slight_smile: