I don’t consider myself naive when it comes to my statement. Please elaborate.
Tell me more about how those Northern Liberals are ruining the south and making you suffer by giving you money and forcing things on you you are against like healthcare, education, and infrastructure. Tell me how much better it would be if we didn’t meddle in your already backwards in most metrics way of life (teen pregnancy, high school graduation, etc).
I’ve not said that Nothern liberals are ruining the south. I’m certainly not suffering from an influx of federal money. I have no problem with healthcare, education, or much-needed improvements in the nation’s infrastructure. I’d be pleased if conservatives or liberals would offer actual solutions to those problems – problems that are certainly not isolated to the southern states. I do take issue with so-called conservatives meddling in the private lives of consenting adults along with self-proclaimed progressives tossing money at the issues you mention. I don’t blame liberals for all the ills of America. I do disagree with many of the remedies that the Obama administration has proposed and/or implemented to solve problems created by a number of foolish decisions made by his predecessor.
For some reason, you seem intent on portraying me as a backwards hick. Keep on thinking that if it makes you happy. There’s no need to pop that particular bubble. I realize that there is a group of folks who recently came to power and now believe that the future for their particular political philosophy will exist without end. It seems to them as if the country has finally come to its senses. Unfortunately, I heard the same nonsense from those at the opposite end of the political spectrum just a couple of decades ago. They found power and were willing to sacrifice their core beliefs to keep it. Those efforts have helped lead us to where we are now. This blue-state vs. red-state foolishness is just a continuation of extremist pap from those who feel like they know what’s best for everyone else.
I don’t find teen pregnancy to be a major issue. If it is, the progressive ideas to solve it haven’t exactly been show-stoppers. Pass out condoms, give out abortion coupons … I don’t care. Tax the mega-churches and use that cash to fund the proigram. As for abstinence preached from the pulpits, well, we all know how effective that mesage has been.
Now, education reform and the repair of our nation’s infrastructure are two of the many severe problems the entire country must face. However, I’ve not noticed the federal dollars from Bush’s NCLB or Obama’s version of the same (only with more federal control, needless standardized testing, and wasted money) having much of a positive effect.
The notion that saving the southern US from itself will bring us all closer to a glorious future strikes me as the most absurd notion since the 2000 election choice of Bush or Gore. Silence the opposition, implement the progressive agenda and all our problems will disappear? I haven’t seen the evidence yet. Maybe it’s just the thought that someone dares to disagree with much of the Obama agenda that riles you folks so. Nothing will quiet crtics and motivate moderates like a bit of economic success. How about some of that? Stop blaming and start doing.
Well, I thought you meant your statement ironically. Perhaps I was mistaken.
Sorry. Sarcasm, not irony. If this is resurrected as a zombie thread in a couple of years, it might read better as irony, though. We’ll see. 
Eh? Was the absurdity the choice or the outcome?
As for what’s wrong with the South, you can get an insightful Southerner’s take here and here.
Then I say neither ironically sarcastically, cutting off the federal pork would teach Mississippians and other Red-staters a lesson in its value.
The opposition to what? Obama is not a progressive in any way, shape or form. He **IS **a moderate, the very definition of moderate, and psycho republicans would oppose him if he says the sky is blue because his skin is too dark for their liking.
Also, progressives (the actually aren’t any mainstream progressive politicians in the USA except maybe Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren) have a common sense, not-even-debateable solution to America’s healthcare woes: Universal coverage. Even a crappy single payer system like Canada’s is STELLAR compared to millions of Americans without any coverage and many dying prematurely each year from it, combined with the fact that we get less coverage for MORE money. But try telling the South that, they would vote against their own face if they thought it would spite our BLACK milquetoast president who is aparently a muslim kenyan marxist atheist terrorist somehow all at the same time.
It’s not my fault my side isn’t the crazy one, I just wish the south had to bare the full brunt of their idiotic fiscal policy instead of get shielded by sane states that believe in taxes and sane government.
The fact that that those two clowns were the best our political system offered was the absurdity to which I referred. I haven’t felt proud for more than a couple of decades to cast a general election vote for POTUS. Just my opinion, of course.
Nope. No matter how many times people say it, Obama isn’t a moderate – not by American standards anyway. I could not possibly care less where the European political spectrum places our candidates.
I can’t get more insurance coverage for less money. Universal coverage would not do me a bit of good. If my employer abandoned our current plan for Obamacare, I’d start looking for a job in another state.
All that race, religion, and birther nonsense isn’t mainstream GOP thought, no matter how much you might like it to be. Both sides have their crazies. However, Bernie Sanders would fit that bill on the liberal side.
As for the fiscal policies of the southern states, I’d like a bit of clarification, please. You’re not trying that old trick of saying that most folks down here support a loony libertarian idea of no federal taxes or assistance at all, are you? No offense meant, but hyperbole seems to frequently visit some of your posts.
Obama is pretty much at the center of the American political spectrum, maybe a touch to the right of it; he’s certainly not leftier than Clinton was.
You seem to think your neighbors are typical Americans. We all have that illusion to some extent – “How could he have won?! Nobody I know voted for him!” If you really want to know how the American people break down politically, see here.
Before I spend a lot of time, how much do you watch Fox News?
Most especially on economic issues, Obama is to the right of center, way to right of center in fact. he and the Democrats are just as beholden to Wall Street as the Republicans are. He appointed Tim Geithner and the Jack Lew or whatever the hell his name is, to Treasury Dept. head, both pure Wall Street servants to the core. His new SEC Chairman is a former Wall Street lawyer known for stopping investigations of Wall Street crooks prior to joining the SEC.
The social issues ultimately will not matter, if the one percent can crush the middle class and render them and the lower class one big lump of powerless peasantry … which is DEFINTELY what is going on … and the Southern states do seem to be the biggest fandom for the One Percent’s takeover of the US.
I do love how you define corruption and greed as right-wing to excuse your monumental feat of insanity in calling Obama right of center.
Well?
Every now and then when I need a good laugh. I’m not what you think I might be. Let’s see: I’m pro-choice, pro-gay rights, and an atheist. Let’s just say that I fall way outside the Fox News demographic. I typically get my dose of TV news from CNN.
I have to go to work again, but I’ll return this evening. Thanks for the site. I’ll check it out.
I really want to discuss your thoughts about Obama’s place on the American political spectrum. It fascinates me to read that people think he is right of center on the American political spectrum. Oh, the pain of having to work and leave the SDMB until the evening!
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Obama is pretty much at the center of the American political spectrum, maybe a touch to the right of it; he’s certainly not leftier than Clinton was.
You seem to think your neighbors are typical Americans. We all have that illusion to some extent – “How could he have won?! Nobody I know voted for him!” If you really want to know how the American people break down politically, see here.[/QUOTE
Oh, in my haste I neglected to comment on your mind-reading act. I know many more people who voted for Obama than for Romney. How are you defining typical Americans?
Do you know who my neighbors are? Or my co-workers? How about my friends?
Are you aware of how patronizing that part of your post seems?
Absolutely. patpat* Run along, now.