:dubious:
No seriously. Do you have an example of a country with a (by your standards) free-market healthcare system?
If I were to post “I sure do like ice cream” I would get five responses within an hour calling me a racist, assuming that I hate cookies and those who eat them, and saying that I am a bastard for not wanting the government to buy everyone ice cream. It gets tiring after a while.
Not that I am aware of. Sadly, the liberal douches have one in all the countries that typically come to mind here, and they are paying the price.
Except you’d never do that. What you’d be more likely to post is: “I sure do like ice cream, but the stupid liberal douches are doing their damndest to take it away from me and give it to poor black folk who are too fucking lazy to buy their own.”
That’s one way of looking at it…
Wow. I’ve never said anything even remotely resembling the bolded part above. That statement is a complete straw man from your own imagination.
OK, but you do agree with the first part, right?
I agree you are a fucking idiot who I don’t wish to converse any further with.
No, stick around - we like you.
Regards,
Shodan
This seems to suggest that totally-free-market healthcare is so bad that it’s been outcompeted everywhere.
Taxpayers the world over have voted with their (tax) dollars for the superior product, and your favourite model went out of business. Don’ like it? Tough shit.
I have not misread anything you have said. You are just pouting that you really have nothing to offer beyond your own imaginary world.
::: shrug :::
Yeah, shrug is right.
No it doesn’t. You are assuming that things are the way they are because that is the best way they can be. But that’s not true.
Are you for gay marriage? If I were to point out that very few states in the US allow gay marriage, does that prove that gay marriage is a bad idea?
No, I’m suggesting that every country on earth started out with free market healthcare. Every country’s voters took a look around them and said ‘Hey! this is a problem.’ and voted into place some form of socialized medicine.
Now in the year 2010 not even you can find a county with free market healthcare. Strangely, the voters of the world have not looked around and said ‘This socialized medicine sucks! Let’s go back to the free market’. The free market lost, it had its shot but its been beaten like a rented mule, and it’s not coming back.
It’s hardly been “outcompeted”. Such a term suggests that UHC has gone head to head with a free market system and emerged victorious in terms of which system is best when in reality it has been the result of slow, socialistic encroachment enacted by politicians promising have-nots that it will take money from everyone else in order to take care of them. A program enacted by promising freebies paid for by everyone else can hardly be called competitive.
No, but it is evidence. Evidence that is outweighed by other evidence (I would argue), but evidence nonetheless.
What a strange thing to say for a free market advocate. Are you saying it’s not a truly fair playing field unless some outside authority is imposing artificial restrictions on what tactics are permitted? Or maybe the free market should be given some kind of subsidies to be able to compete against the inherent advantages of the socialist system?
The problem with SA is not that the special cases he digs up are not true. It is that he then claims, since this person did not get good care, nobody does, the health system is a failure. That of course in a logical fallacy. You can not make a conclusion about the entire system from a tiny sample.
However in America we have 4o million uncovered, the most expensive care in the world and are way down the list of health care quality. A valid conclusion is our system is screwed up.
I thought it was health care outcomes, not health care quality.
What price is that? Longer life expectancy? Lower infant mortality?