Hey, bovver boy paulbeserker, take a fucking pill, will ya? You sure you shouldn’t be in Portugal beating up opposing football fans? Prat.
I hit “Submit” by accident, which is the reason my previous post was incomplete. Herewith the whole thing:
Of course, if McCartney was actually preventing those people from eating, you might have a point.
But he isn’t, so you don’t.
Eating might be a pre-requisite to human survival, but eating meat is not.
This is an interesting point. If this tour schedule is correct, he played only one concert in Oslo, so the local workers can’t have had to put up with this for more than a few days.
I just wanted to make another point. As far as i can tell from a rather extensive Google search, the only source for this (in English at least) is the MSNBC cited by the OP. A google search brings up other results, but they all cut and paste directly from the MSNBC article. The MSNBC article is one small piece on a page called “Gossip: Jeannette Walls Delivers the Scoop.” Forgive me if i wonder whether we’ve got the whole story here, or just the one that a gossip columnist thought was most sensational.
The article says that the original source for the story was the Norwegian newspaper Aftenpost. I went to the English version of the newspaper’s website and put “McCartney” into the search engine, but found no story about his vegetarian edict.
Unfortunately, i don’t understand Norwegian, so i can’t check the Norwegian version of the website with any accuracy. If there’s any Euro-Dopers out there who can understand the language, maybe you’d be good enough to do a search?
Ah, so now i’m a football hooligan. Where you pull that from I don’t know. Because i’m English? If so:
English = football hooligan
Meat Eater = ALL SHOULD EAT MEAT
Vegetarian = MEAT IS MURDER
American = Inbred redneck McDonalds eating Bush supporter
No, not just because you’re English. Having lived in England, i know that most Brits are nothing like football hooligans.
You, however, are English, and also seem to be an overly-aggressive, unreflective moron, at least in this thread. Therefore my allusion to football hooligans. Don’t assume that i’m blaming the whole country for your particular defects.
Overly aggressive? Sometimes. Unreflective? I don’t think so.
I don’t like McCartney. I hate his music, and I disagree with his stance as detailed above, as well as everything he does, to the point of vigorously complaining to the Walker Gallery in Liverpool when he exhibited his pissant Sunday paintings there. My opinion bizzatch. There’s a reason why it says berserker after my name.
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Regardless of if you disagree with my opinion on this particular suject 6 this e-mail was obnoxious and uncalled for. What? Are you 12.
Lew-Zer.
Regarding McCartney dictating that no one can wear leather: I don’t believe that was in the original article. I don’t recall reading it, anyway. That was something that someone on this thread speculated about (“what if . . . ?”) and we were discussing it. But I don’t recall it being something that Sir Paul actually demanded of his employees. If someone wants to contradict that, I’d trust that they’d also be able to provide a cite.
How dare McCartney dictate what his employees wear?! If we allow this sort of thing, pretty soon he’ll be demanding they all wear identical outfits! No other employer would dare force… … wait… uniforms? … never mind.
I think McCartney’s lost it here. But I say again; he’s the boss. If you can’t stand following his rules for a week or so then no-one’s forcing you to stay.
And a good 50% of those in this thread need to go take a pill or something. Too many hormones in their last steak I think.
I remember as a child, asking my mother why I was called Paul. “Well son, we wanted a name you couldn’t shorten, and I was listening to the Beatles a lot back then.”
So now do you see my hatred? named after someone who’s entire musical catalogue/political stance I hate. It’s straight up more to do with McfuckingCartney in this thread, all the way. Everything the man does simply pisses me off no end. His shitty paintings, his boars ruining other farmers’ land, salting the skies so it won’t rain etc.
As I stated before, i’ve nothing against vegetarianism, unless you’re trying to force it upon me or tell me it’s a better way to live/diet to have than my omnivorous ways. That makes it an opinion, not a statement of fact. And yes, I know you can healthily live without meat, that’s not my point. No-one should be allowed to force their lifestyle upon others. Offer it as an alternative by all means, but not a be all and end all of how one should live.
I like to vent. I also like to take the piss in my arguments. There you go. Nothing here in this thread I haven’t done before in others.
Cheers!
Actually, he isn’t their employer. He’s the Client. The local workers are employed by the stadium, which Paul McCartney is hiring out.
He can dictate whatever he wants on his catering. He has NO right to tell people he isn’t employing directly what they can or cannot bring in for their own lunch.
He’s even worse for putting peoples lives and bodies at risk with his work clothing policies also.
And the stadium isn’t allowed to tell their employees to follow the requirements of the client who’s paying them?
He’s lost it, but ultimately he’s the one paying everyone’s wage that week. If the stadium doesn’t like it, or the stadium employees don’t like it, I’m sure his money would be welcomed somewhere else. And if this is ‘forcing lifestyle’ on others, then just about every employer is guilty of similar. They’re always telling people what they can and can’t do on company time. That’s why employees expect to get paid in compensation!
Is it right for employers to dictate what employees do on their lunch break providing it isn’t illegal or detrimental to their abilities to do their job?
Yes, if they are doing it on the employer’s property. Can’t you imagine any jobs where it’s not OK to break out the sandwiches on the work floor? And. as has been mentioned elsewhere, many places, such as schools, do have regulations about what people are allowed to bring in.
Actually, I can’t imagine why no-one just brings their meat-paste sandwiches to work and makes sure they chew with their mouth closed. What are they going to do, have a sandwich inspection everyday? As long as no-ones openly gnawing on a bone, who’s going to know? Lot of fuss about nothing.
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Yes, if they are doing it on the employer’s property. Can’t you imagine any jobs where it’s not OK to break out the sandwiches on the work floor? And. as has been mentioned elsewhere, many places, such as schools, do have regulations about what people are allowed to bring in.
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If Paul McCartney opens a school or a sterile area workbench, you’d have a point. However, that doesn’t apply to this case.
so you advocate breaking workplace regualtions that you don’t agree with?
I think that this is going to blow up in McCartney’s face.
First off, some of the crew (mainly the riggers) uses tool belts. I can’t speak for every market, but I think that riggers are typically local crew (the vast majority of people working on the show are local crew.) By stating this no-leather rule, McCartney is obligated to supply cloth belts to everyone that doesn’t already have one, and considering the stupidity of this rule, every local crew in each and every town will be a rigger and will normally use a leather toolbelt. The same thing applies for steel-toed shoes. I think that workman’s comp liability is covered by the arenas, so Paul will have to pay for a few broken toes at each place he plays, whether anyone gets hurt or not.
Possibly more important is that this rule will suck any energy out of the show. Paul doesn’t hire roadies (beyond the odd guitar tech or whatnot.) He hires a stage, lighting and sound company (or companies) who send their own guys out on the show. These guys didn’t get into their careers to save animals, they’re on the road to have a good time, and I doubt that they’re going to put much effort into throwing a party for a prude little vegetarian twit.
For comparison’s sake, Aerosmith hired a security guard for their Pump tour and tasked him with keeping the entire entourage clean and sober. It was understandable since they had recently quit drugs and were afraid of getting addicted again, but everybody with the stage company had a few choice words to say about the Aerocop. The guy I was working with claimed that he was busted for drinking champaigne in his hotel room after the bottle was found in the trash. Everybody was going through the motions and the show hurt because of it. Now, I doubt that most people who see Paul McCartney’s show really know or care whether it’s any good, but I bet that it will be a dull show for his pissing off the people that put him onstage.
