I didn’t label a thief. I’m saying I’m more likely to think “thief” if he were sawing a bike lock off. You know, the subject of the thread.
I didn’t mention bearing or dialects in that post because I was responding to the many posters who continue to focus solely on clothing. I have repeatedly pointed out that clothing is only a part of it, though, so I don’t know why you think I’m being evasive on that point.
No, we’re associating “crappy saggy clothing” with thuggy looking. To assume that “black teen dressed like a black teen” = saggy crappy clothes is rather closed-minded and stereotyping in and of itself. There are a LOT of black teens who have no problem dressing well and fashionably. It’s not as if the subset of black teens who happen to take their fashion advice from decades old Vanilla Ice or Eminem represent all black teens, nor most black teens.
Nowhere did I say they were thuggy.
And way to be a threadstalker. The one has nothing to do with the other.
Do you seriously think those two individuals look the same simply because they are both wearing a visor?
Take the fame out of the equation and the person in the first pic would likely have the cops called on them if they were sawing a bike lock off. The person in the second picture probably wouldn’t.
It’s great that you are so idealistic that you wish people could dress like whatever they wanted and no one would ever judge them. But that’s just not reality, and it never will be.
Wait, so the problem is they lack fashion sense? They aren’t dressing fashionably?
They look “thuggy” if they aren’t up to the latest styles? What if they are wearing the latest styles?
Was I supposed to imagine the lawyer in sweatpants sawing a bike lock off as well?
The question then is, are these snap judgments you are making based in truth? Or are they merely convenient?
I’m supposed to forget the stupid stuff from thread to thread? That was a pretty memorable statement, to me.
Well, see, that’s the thing. I don’t think that, and I don’t think you think that. In fact, I think you judge the person, not the clothes. You’re just trying to make the argument that you are judging the clothes so that you can avoid the suggestion that you are judging the person.
Thank you for demonstrating my point so expertly. I guess it DID take expertise!
Yes, I have said quite openly all along that I do judge people. I do it every day. I use things like how they dress, how they speak, and how they carry themselves.
Everyone does this, and there’s nothing wrong with it.
This has been my consistent position quite openly, so you don’t need to try and claim you’ve gotcha’d me by pointing it out.
Having spent my entire lifetime as a black boy, teen and adult, I think my insight and actual experience might be somewhat reliable. The majority of casually-dressed young black men aren’t wearing polo shirts and dockers. Some do, yes. Most do not. They dress in the casual style most common to young black males. The degree of sag or bag varies according to personal aesthetic.
Both!
I disagree with the “snap judgments” part, though. Like just about every other human being on the planet (except a few of you) I continually take in information and interpret it to make judgments. Maybe the lawyer really is good at his job and I just caught him on the way to the gym. Maybe the kid dressed like a thug really does own the bike he’s sawing the lock off of.
But it would be silly to try and go through life without making any judgments based on what our eyes and ears tell us. Not to mention being impossible.
Well, you’re really good at misquoting, or misremembering that’s for sure. I made it quite clear in the other thread, that the videos showed that she was slapping at his upper arms, and that THAT is what I didn’t consider violent, particularly in comparison to his reaction. Unless someone can show me a newer, clearer video where she actually does anything other than ineffectually slap at his arms, that is. She certainly was NOT behaving well, nor like a lady. My point was that it didn’t warrant a huge punch in the nose as a reaction.
You can remember whatever you like from other threads, but bringing up what people say from other threads in the current one, is rude to the OP who was talking about something completely different and unrelated to whatever it is you’d like to punish me for.
As to all of your other silly blather about “what, everyone’s supposed to be all high fashion now?” is just ridiculous, reaching for it, and strawman-ey. People have made it quite clear what they’re talking about. Witness the heated threads that arise when perfectly normal people have the audacity to wear GASP pj bottoms to the grocery store. There is a minimum standard of how people present themselves that is viewed by the majority of society as reasonable and respectful. The crappy “sag” look falls far below that, far below pjs at the grocery store even.
Yes, but it’s not as bad as women wearing leggings as pants, though.
You gave specific examples based on people’s dress. Now you are saying that two people can be wearing the same clothes and not look the same. So, what are these mysterious clothes doing? Which clothes are they? How much do the clothes matter?
And you judge people, so why is it so hard to believe that you are judging them for their color and their culture? (I guarantee you are doing this, you just think that somehow clothing, accent, bearing, manners, etc. are not related to race and culture.)
Have you ever considered not dressing like a racist?
I find that interesting. Where I have lived, we saw most of this kind of look mostly on TV shows or in the movies, not on the actual kids around us. As the mom of two former teens, I’ve been exposed to a lot of teenagers and their manner of dress.
I spent about 200 years (well only about 20 actually, but it felt like 200) going to various high school sporting events and social gatherings as chief chauffeur, event coordinator etc. So while I may not have been a teen when this look started, I’ve not lived in a cave either.
No. I said no such thing.
I’m using your words. You criticized people for not dressing fashionably (which of course they are in many cases). You said that hitting people isn’t violent (which of course it is in all cases (maybe there is an exception I haven’t thought of, but it sure as hell isn’t in that other thread)).
It’s not a strawman to quote someone and ask what the hell they mean.
This is a very long and complicated way to walk back your silly claims about thug-clothing, which you hadn’t apparently really thought out. I’ve also addressed the manner of speech and “how he acts”.
It appears as though, to you, city teens who dress like city teens, act like city teens, and talk like city teens are dressing, acting, and talking like thugs… and I’m pointing out, rather obviously, that the vast majority of city teens who dress, talk, and act like this are decent and non-violent kids.
So your thug-detector needs some work.
Everyone does this, but you appear to be rather bad at it. Apparently, the normal “city teen” dress, manner of speech, and demeanor makes you feel afraid.
If you ever right public transportation in a big city you must be afraid an awful lot.
I’ve not walked back any of my claims. I’ve quote clearly stood by what I’ve said and been consistent.
I simply refuse to dance for you just because you are clapping your hands. To quote Jon Stewart on Crossfire: “I’m not going to be your monkey.”