I think it’s a combination of the above with a dash of (2) and
(10) They are having an irrational response to their candidate losing in the primaries, and want to do *something *in “retaliation” (against Obama/the media/the Democratic party/etc) even if it goes against their interests and long-held beliefs.
(i.e. some women are doing it for reason (5), some for reason (2) and some for reason (10))
I was thinking (or perhaps, the Hilary-to-McCain switchers were thinking) more about the major health care legislation that Hilary submitted during her stint as the only woman in DC that Bill wasn’t schtupping. So again, even before she made it to the Senate, she had more national experience than Obama does now.
But the progression for executive experience is [ol][li]McCain[]Hilary (if being co-President counts)[]Palin[*]a two-way tie between Obama and Biden[/ol][/li]
So the switch makes sense.
Regards,
Shodan
What’s McCain’s executive experience again? And if you say crashing his plane in Viet Nam, just go ahead and guess again.
Incorrect. The correct order is Biden, McCain, Obama, Clinton
long drop
Palin.
The word “executive” is an absolutely meaningless, bullshit qualification.
No, when he was leader of his squadron, and turned their evaluation around 180 degrees. This was after his incredibly courageous leadership in Viet Nam.
Regards,
Shodan
True. Of the 4, Biden leads, then McCain, then Obama, with Palin being last.
I deny it. I think it will be hard to find any significant number of voters who would vote for a white Candidate with Obama’s platform but not Obama. No doubt we still have racists, but not many are Liberal Democrats. And of course, if the Dems keep saying that Obama will lose the election due to racism, it will come true.
I agree. Of course, that wouldn’t affect polling numbers much.
There’s no doubt there are a few single issue votes on any issue. Trick is to find some who are single issue that would have voted for your candidate otherwise. For example I know a few single issue anti-gun law voters. They are likely excited to see Palin on the ticket. However, they’d have voted GoP otherwise, anyway. What’s the chance we’d get a loudly pro-gun Dem on the ticket? (Sure, Bill was moderate on that issue)
That being said, I have little doubt there really are a few feminists who really want to see a woman in the White House, and who would have voted for the Dem ticket otherwise. But if that number is even 1% of the voters I’d be shocked.
And, I will not condemn them, either. It is about time, but then again it’s about time for a minority to sit in the Oval Office, too.
Umm- Obama- 3 years as Senator, Clinton 7. Otherwise, we agree.
Obama spent 7 years in the Illinois Senate before he became Illinois’ Senator in Congress.
Oh give it up, that doesn’t count! That’s almost as bad as being a <<gasp!>> community organizer. He did absolutely nothing for 7 years in the Illinois Legislature. Nothing. Just ask Nancy Pfotenhauer. And if you don’t believe her, just ask Tony Rezko or William Ayers or Jeremiah Wright. Traitor!
So I guess being a community organizer, editor of Harvard Law Review (first black one at that) etc don’t count? This is Obama, fresh out of lawschool:
This is much derided experience as a community organizer. Maybe it’s not too much now but it’s still something.
So what else has McCain done besides “turning his squadron around?” His leadership in Vienam? What he did was laudable, but I don’t call it leadership necessarily.
The fact that you place Palin above Biden and Obama really hurts your case, Shodan. It’s so clearly not true. You seem like you’re regurgitating Republican talking points. If you want to support McCain for whatever reason, fine, but at least don’t try to justify it by spouting bullshit like this here.
Obama is running a national campaign for President. Palin has never done such a thing.
Do you honestly believe the things you write here? Because if so it seems like you’re really going out of the way to not count Obama’s relevant experience. Your list seems to discredit anything done as an elected politician, and yet you also seem to discredit Obama’s other experience done after he started his campaign and before he got into elected politics.
You’re actually shouting “POW”? Seriously? Not as a Democratic mole?
Have you never encountered a Shodan post before?
Oh of course I have…
It just seems so silly that he can be so impervious to logic. You know, I don’t ask that he vote for Obama or anything. All I ask is that he not be a complete automaton for the Republican party. It’s fun to debate with Republicans who actually will concede points while maintaining their philosophy is sound. Surely there must be a person in there, right?
wiki= *Elected to the U.S. House of Representatives in 1982, he served two terms, and was then elected to the U.S. Senate in 1986, winning re-election easily in 1992, 1998, and 2004. *
Which is why I place him ahead of Obama, but below Biden. Biden is likely the most experienced person who is legally qualified for Prez.
The switch might make sense, but not based on this ridiculous argument. Hillary didn’t push the health care legislation for eight years.
Edit: Timeline - http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/may96/background/health_debate_page2.html
For leadership experience? Obviously not.
To paraphrase Jesse Jackson, Obama hasn’t run anything but his mouth.
Right, right - maintaining leadership of a bunch of people under torture and death is nothing compared to the stress of editing an Ivy League law journal. Especially with the added stress of being black.
Regards,
Shodan
Obvious how? Community organizer suggests being in charge. Editors are in charge. It’s pure management experience.
Funny how Hillary and Jesse become the noble friends of the right when quoting them allows you to attack the biggest threat to your political success.
While noble, how does this sort of “leadership” translate to the world outside prison? And how is this “executive experience,” as you earlier claimed? You never answered that, Sho.
What the fuck does the level of job stress have to do with being qualifed for the presidency?
So it all boils down to this. Why are the only people making Obama’s race an issue this election the right wingers? Are you guys *that *scared of being beat by one of “those?”
Yes, yes they are.