Obama 11 years significant elected experience, Clinton 8.
I should say that I think Obama and Clinton are roughly equally matched in terms of qualifications. However you want to count their elected experience, it’s not the sum total of their qualifications and they’re really about equal. I also think it’s clear that Biden, McCain, Obama, Clinton, Huckabee, Romney, Guiliani, Lieberman, Ridge and Pawlenty (not to mention K.B. Hutchinson, Olympia Snowe, Condi Rice and C.T. Whitman) are all light years ahead of Palin, who is a bush leaguer called up to the Yankees.
It must be fun to know you can never be wrong because you reserve the right to just make up reality as you go along.
Yup. After large numbers of democrats and independents were at least preceived to have voted for McCain in Michigan and Florida, he devised “Operation Chaos” to convince people in states that had not yet had primaries to vote for Clinton.
I think #1 is probably the real reason, but I find that sort of confusing, because every woman I’ve ever heard express the idea that we should vote for a woman just because she too is female has also been pro-choice (theory being a woman knows better than a man how important abortion rights are). It seems counter-productive for them to vote for prolife Palin.
I’m not sure why you persist in making these discussions personal, but you have now collected several Warnings in a short time–all for insulting other posters–and you are jeopardizing your status as a poster.
This is a Warning to refrain from making any personal observations about other posters, lest you wander over the line and pull down a suspension.
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For leadership experience? Community organizing is obviously much, much better than being a military officer. After all, when you do community organizing, nobody has to do what you say. You have to demonstrate real leadership. Which means persuading people to follow you. Much more applicable to the Presidency.
I am afraid this is a question that cannot be taken seriously.
There comes a point at which arguments become too goofy to address. If you sincerely believe that the Presidency is a low-stress job, well, how nice for you.
Actually, that would be Merkwurdigliebe who brought it up in this thread. But thanks for playing.
Regards,
Shodan
Most women are probably going to vote according to their consciense. If they were voting obama previously, a woman on the pub ticket is probably as much a vote changer as ferraro was for dole.
However , I can probaby see a more militant group of women that I would term the vagina vote, swinging to a ticket simply for influence purposes.
What ever the case, I’m hoping that who ever takes the election , does so cleanly. Having a repeat of the chads would probably take twenty years to recover from
declan
I’ll grant you that. You think Obama edges out Hillary, I think the other, but we agree they are about tied. No doubt Palin is lagging last. Of course, she does nicely balance the ticket (as does Biden).
Let me give it a try. The progression for executive experience is:
McCain
Hilary
Palin
Elmer Fud
Tigger
Tooth Fairy
Shaggy
The bum down the street
Lazy-eye Susan
Stewie
Joe who works down at the morgue
Charles Barkley
Tinkerbell
Henry Kissinger
A two-way tie between Obama and Biden
Hey, this is fun!
By the way, fuck all these “executive experience” arguments.
As many have said, almost nothing can really prepare you to be President. The most important thing is to have someone who is competent, intelligent, intellectually curious, honest.
When you wake up in the morning and realize that X is President, you should feel comfortable.
If Obama, McCain, or Biden are President I’d feel comfortable (somewhat less with McCain now that I see some more of his senior moments, but anyway).
If I wake up one day and Palin is President, I would not feel comfortable that she can run the country. She would be way out of her depth.
I neither have nor need any proof. Chalk it up to that “gut feeling” that Bush always talks about.
Palin or Bill Belicheck?
who has more executive experience?
Dude, in a POW camp, the prisoners aren’t in charge.
His being a POW constitutes experience sitting in a cell and eating shitty food. Hurrah for him, but those skills don’t translate to a lot of Presidential situations.
Indeed. Given that what passes for her executive experience is in Alaska, where the government runs on free money (oil/gas royalties and federal subsidies) and sends payments to its citizens instead of collecting taxes from them, it’s rather like supposing that someone who can win Doom 3 is prepared to lead an actual military assault.
I honor and respect John McCain for his service in the military, and for his experiences while he was held prisoner.
I think his time in the military will probably be helpful in some areas if he is elected President, and I think being a POW will not help him in any way.
Well, if you’ve chosen not to try and debate it anymore, that’s understandable. I never said the Presidency was low-stress. But seriously, how is the stress of being a POW skill-building for the job of the presidency? And if stressful jobs were resume-builders for the presidency, why aren’t there more high-rise window washers in the Oval Office? Or race car drivers? Or fire fighters? Or brain surgeons? Or prison guards? Or prisoners?
Seriously, you think being a prisoner of war prepares a man to be president? Your arguement is weak. I’d rather have someone who actually has a cohesive grasp of the Constitution and a plan for the future.
According to Article IV of the Code of Conduct of the US military, POWs are required to maintain a chain of command with the highest ranking POW present in charge. I don’t know how much leadership this entails in practice, or really how how it is in any way analogous to the Presidency, but there certainly is an expectation, at the very least, for an officer in a POW camp to have some sort of authority over his fellow POWs.
The highest ranking officer in the Hanoi Hilton, and the one who POW’s really looked to for leadership was Admiral James Stockdale.
You read his story and he makes McCain look like a pussy.
Holy guacamole! That’s putting it mildly. I notice Stockdale never broke and gave the North Vietnamese a propaganda confession, unlike a certain other POW.
After the Bush years (remember all of Bush’s experience?) maybe experience doesn’t count as much as who is interested in getting our standing in the world, and a plan for bettering the working class and the jobless. Maybe one who doesn’t act like a bully, but is willing to listen to the other’s point of view. I think we need a level headed person not some one who is ready to attack before they find out the truth.
Monavis