:dubious: And why exactly would you hope for that?
because maybe just maybe the wakeup call for the democrats would ring so loud and clear that they would realize how they need to reform… bigtime!
the dems are screwing up bigtime… I can’t even believe it. This win should be so easy for them, especially after the bush administration. I don’t see it happening.
No, I think I was in Rhode island at the time though… I basically live in Albany NY, but I’m from Providence - my family is there so I’m always visiting… it’s a 2.5 hour trip… not too bad.
It’s not worth the risk. McCain is too hotheaded for the job.
the link did not bring me to the exact article you wanted, but the site looks like a really good site… thanks for the link!
Is this the first primary season you’ve paid attention to for a while? This hasn’t been a particularly brutal nomination contest.
That’s the point…
People don’t see it as being fair. Hillary has been scraping and lashing out to find any way to win and people know that. Just saw a poll on MSNBC where only 31 or so percent believe that it would be legitimate to have it Hillary’s way (Superdelegates making up for her pledged delegate deficit). However, only 41 percent believe it would be illegitimate. That’s still a goodly portion though.
Again, just because it’s legal doesn’t mean that it’s desirable. It’s a very undesirable position to come back from and she’s going to have to have a VERY good argument to overturn what has already happened. The way she’s been running her campaign has also been very indicative of how terrible a leader she’d be. She sure as hell wasn’t ready on day one of her campaign, why would she be ready for the president? Aside from all of the other ways that Obama has beaten her, she has also beaten herself with her terrible campaign.
She’s ready to get credentials fights going? By being explicit about the lengths to which she’d go she must be turning off other people. Do we really have the stomach to watch as she ruins what could have been one of the easiest elections to win in November? I know I sure as hell don’t and if I were a superdelegate, I’d come out and do my best to send her packing. I’d do the same even if Barack Obama were behind. Democrats can’t afford to risk it any more.
How old are you? Not meaning to be insulting. I’m just trying to figure out how many election cycles you’ve been through as a Democrat or Democratic-leaning voter.
Because the old Will Rogers joke? “I don’t belong to any organized political organization. I’m a Democrat.” It’s not a joke.
In another thread today I noted that the funny thing about the Democratic party is that if you went into a roomful of Democrats and shouted “The Democratic Party sucks!”, you would get at least half the room (and, depending on which fool of a Democratic politician spouted off that day, probably the whole room) nodding and muttering, “They sure do…sigh”.
Actually, I’m a registered republican. 
I just happen to support Obama…
Ah…welcome to an alien planet, sir. The Democrats and Republicans are probably even MORE different in their party procedures than they are in their policies.
You don’t think so? It’s really close, and I don’t believe either candidate will have enough delegates to win so they’ll have to count on the superdelegates.
You don’t see this as an amazingly stressful and confusing campaign? You’ve got two candidates who will be groundbreaking if either wins; a race so tight that everything is affecting the outcome… like Howard Dean screwing with Fla & Michigan voters and calling their delegates irrelevant; you’ve got Hillary fabricating war stories; and Obama just went through a living hell because he’s being held accountable for his minister’s words… words that were taken out of context and that affected Obama’s standings among independents… it’s been a complete clusterF
Assuming she DOES manage to steal the thing…well, what can she do with it? I mean, is there even a market to sell that kind of stolen goods? Would she have to go to Mexico or Canada or something like that, or would someone fence it here in the US for her?
And what then? She would have to flea (sic) the country, no? What would she get with her ill gotten booty?
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she’ll hand it over to her husband.
Dean’s not screwing with anybody and hasn’t called anyone’s votes or delegates irrelevant. The early primary penalties were known well before Michigan and Florida voted to move their primaries up. Dean had nothing to do with that, by the way. It was the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee, of which Howard Dean is not a member, that stripped them of their delegates.
And Dean isn’t calling their delegates irrelevant. The DNC is calling them invalid, because they weren’t legal primaries. I agree with that. The solution is for the state parties to fund a revote, but neither one is willing to do that. So it’s on them.
Well…if she is truly forked, as was said in another thread, then she will have to move and allow Bill to be taken by Obama’s knight (not the one who says nee! btw…the other one). So…that would pretty much preclude her being able to give it to Billy boy.
It’s a quandary…
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You really should breathe a little more slowly, Johnnie. That puscht that Clinton’s backers tried to pull off against Pelosi, threatening to withhold funding for the DCCC if she didn’t disavow her comments that the supers shouldn’t overturn the will of the voters?
It’s causing massive backlash. The supers don’t like to be threatened. Clinton’s backers pushed too hard.
I’ve heard a few people say this, and I wonder what contests they’re comparing it to. Which ones from the past do you consider brutal?
I ask because I’m curious if it’s just a matter of people who say this’ perceptions of “recent” being different from mine, particularly with back-to-back 2 term presidents. Other than some Reagan-Gorbachev photo ops, my first awareness of politics was the Ollie North scandal that broke out when I was nine. There are many voters who we’re even born yet when that happened (hell, there are voters who were born during George Bush senior’s term), so maybe it’s not a lack of paying attention on a lot of people’s parts…
As for the OP, I will be disappointed, but not at all surprised, if Clinton manages to buy or threaten her way into the nomination. It would be in keeping with her megalomaniac conviction that it’s “her turn” to win by any means necessary.
Does she have a theme song yet? If not, I suggest this one.
Just when I was getting myself into a high dudgeon about HRC, she goes and starts saying stuff like this:
Sounds like . . . something . . . is finally sinking in.
Quote from here: Poll: Clinton-Obama bickering could hurt turnout - CNN.com
You cannot have stolen from you what is not yours. It is not the right of the pledged delegates to elect the Democratic nominee on their own.
I mean, I’m not even a Clinton fan - heck, I’m not even American - but this seems really dirt-obvious to me. The rules for selecting the candidate are the rules. I don’t recall Sen. Obama’s supporters bitching about the process in 2004, or 2000, or 1996.
Meh.
Sounds more like she’s getting pressure that her antics are placing the party’s November’s prospects at risk and needs to throw a bone that direction while she continues to play the me or nothing game.