Hillary, please bow out.

Which gives a clue, actually. Republicans have learned not to attack Democrats’ weaknesses, but their strengths - identifying areas where a candidate may have a broad appeal, or may even be in sync with conservative values, and trying like hell to undermine them there.

To a large extent, this has been done with Obama already. He can light up a room and pack a stadium… soooo… He’s all talk, his supporters who show up in droves are crazy cultists, etc. Expect a lot more of that and probably expect Obama’s team to counter this with a significant emphasis on Obama’s considerable inner wonk if we move this to the general.

I feel like they’ve toned down how aggressive Gandhi is in Civ IV. Then again, up until I started playing BtS, I always played as India with Gandhi as the leader. Spiritual and Industrious FTW! Best special unit too.

And someone needs to take that collage of Hillary faces and put a grid system on it so we can just refer to it by that. “Hillary just gave us an A4 in that soundbite,” for instance.

You could take it a step further and make it into some kind of bingo card.

And Hillary has apparently decided that what she really needs to do is show she’s down with the American people by having a mile high kegger with Ted Danson and Mary Steenburgern.

Except that her cup looks empty and she looks about as comfortable as a whore in church.

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The title of this thread may be partially to blame, but gingerbread houses and little lost children (which is how I think she views us all anyway) definitely spring to mind.

I can’t blame her for staying in. You don’t get many chances to run for president, and this may be her only one. Obama has the big mo on his side, but that could change this week. At any rate, I don’t think we’re looking at a brokered convention. Either she or Obama will have it locked up before then. Hillary may be the underdog at this point, but she’s still got a reasonable chance of winning. I don’t think it makes sense to try and force her out of the race yet, unless you just don’t like her or strongly favor Obama. But in that case, you’re just trying to force your own decision thru.

Hmm. Rush Limbaugh seems to want HRC to stay in. Maybe I should reconsider.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Isn’t Ann Coulter voting for her too?

What gets me is how Clinton and Obama were presented as the Democratic frontrunners long before a single vote was cast or caucus gathered. The other Democratic candidates were given far less media attention and appeared to be taken less seriously by the media. If I’m feeling charitable, it seems like the media decided that these two would make the most interesting story. If I’m feeling less than charitable, it seems like this is a plan by the wealthy who own TV networks and newspapers to keep the White House in Republican hands and keep their tax breaks - to pick the two candidates least likely to appeal to white, male voters. The elephant in the room is how much better Obama did in caucus states. One might almost suspect that folks will express themselves one way in a room full of their neighbors or answering a pollster, and another in the privacy of the voting booth.

Of course they can. The decision to not count the votes was not made by the Convention as a whole. Thus, if the Convention as a whole votes them in, it’s the will of the people.

No need for conspiracy theories. Edwards was out front and center, too. Fact is, if you get your poll numbers up, you get more press. That’s what happened to Huckabee.

No, that would be the will of the party insiders at the Convention. I would have voted for Obama, but I couldn’t. I could have gone with undecided, and hope that those delegates would get my ESPmail. I voted for McCain instead for a number of reasons, one being the fact that at least I had half a vote. Hillary was the only candidate polling above 5% that was on the ballot, and she wound up with roughly half the theoritical delegates. Now, she’s going to call in her favors among the insiders to seat those delegates from MI and FL?!? As Klik and Klak say “BooooOOOOoooo GUS”. Something like 75% of Detroit voted uncommitted. Who knows what the results would have been had Edwards and Obama been on the ballot. The only fair way to figure this out would be for the legislature to pay for a reballoting out of their own pocket, since they are the ones who screwed it all to hell. Of course, most of them wind up in Lansing because the locals want to get them off of the School Board or City Commission. Term limits suck.

Umm, dude? That’s still several thousand votes, most of whom represent voters. How many “votes” did the Democratic Party have to not count Fla? :dubious:

Accepting the FL and MI results as they stand would not represent the “will of the voters.” Who knows how the ballots would have been cast if Edwards and Obama were on it, and how that outcome would have affected the rest of the race, regardless if the results counted or not. I’m sure I’m not the only one who would have voted differently.

The primary in MI was moved up by insiders trying to get Hillary off to a great start, but was sold as a way to bring money into the state and gain influence in the process, to bring our issues to the forefront. Everything in MI is about jobs, and these folks were just trying to line up their next gig (our lovely guv, as much as I love her, is at a career dead-end and was hoping to jump into HRCs cabinet. Instead of doing something productive, which might be moot anyhow, she went for inside baseball shit and struck out).

And I bet a lot of delegates will do whatever they think will curry favor with people above them in the party, which might conflict with “the will of the voters.”

foreigner = :confused:

I thought you couldn’t register as a member with both parties - so when you say you “voted for McCain instead” does that mean you decided to register as a Republican at the last second and then vote for him? Or am I wrong about the rules and you are actually a member of both parties?

Well, I didn’t realize that each State was different. Florida is a closed primary but in Michigan, where you are, it is open. waddya know. For some reason I assumed that was a national party rule.

There are some national party rules, eg, you can’t hold a primary before the first tuesday in Feb, unless you get a special waiver. There are other things that are decided by the state party, like how to divy up the delegates, who can vote (registered members, +independents, +other party members) and when to have it. Hence the royal screw-ups in Lansung and Tallahasee this year.

Well, when she says “the will of the voters”, she means “the will of my voters”, since those are the only ones she cares about.

This op-ed in the SF Chron, of all places, states the case for a re-vote, which apparently will happen sometime in May or June here in MI. Details to follow. I assume something similar is happening in FL.

And Obama only cares about his Delegate count, too.

Amd you can certainly change the rules. Even Dean sez so:

“The states have two options, Dean says.

“They can come back to the DNC with a set of delegate selection procedures that do comply with the rules of the 48 other states,** or they can appeal to the credentials committee at the Democratic National Convention,**” he said.

It’s not the voters’ fault in Florida and Michigan that they didn’t get included, so we think it’s a good thing to have these discussions going on.”

Emphasis mine.