There is a difference between judgement and condemnation. While you might be able to judge others I don’t think that includes condemning others for sin unless you are sinless. There is the quote about not talking about the beam in someone elses eye untill you remove the one in your own.
I’m not familiar with the NT strictures on remarriage, so I cannot comment here. But I believe most or all the hypocrite-shouters here are missing a fundamental distinction.
A thief would be a hypocrite if he went about condemning other people for being thieves. But he would not be a hypocrite for arguing in principle that thievery was wrong, even if this reflected negatively on himself as well. And certainly, a loanshark would not be a hypocrite for declaring in principle that thievery is wrong. At most you might say that he has an inconsistency in his moral code. As might even someone who is not a practicing loanshark.
So if you can show that these people have condemned specific people for their sins, you can begin to make a case. But if you merely show that they have upheld these ideas in principle, I don’t think you have a case at all.
Were this not so, then no one who has had any moral failings can express any moral criticism of anything.
I doubt if there is a single person in this thread who is truly without sin. And I doubt if there is a single person in this thread who has never cast a stone. Hypocrites indeed.
I perfectly understand that, and if someone was attacking people’s way of life on the basis of the scriptures and then would try to explain that their divorce is OK from a religious point of view, I’d certainly call them on that.
BUT I don’t think anybody is in any way compelled to tell whether or not they’re divorced, whom they’re going to marry, or to detail their personnal life history (especially in response to an insulting post). If they don’t want to do so, they owe you no explanation. I still think “you’re wrong in your assumptions, and I don’t want to explain further” or “It’s none of your business” are perfectly acceptable responses.
Dang, Fenris; if you’re not writing for a living, you’re in the wrong line of work. That was hilarious!
Show me again where I’m obligated to justify my life to you, in order to win your approval, ok?
To all:
I’m sorry for my language and my anger, but I’m just about fed up with the way I’m expected to wave my hands solomnly and repeat “I love you all, we both love you…” in the face of constant insult and belittlement. Yeah, Jesus did it, but - news flash! - I’m not Jesus, and I’m not as like him as I’d like to be. I’m still just a plain old fallible human being, who gets really angry when jerks start attacking my wife-to-be.
Then maybe you can understand just how fucking pissed off some of us get to have you guys attack our friends and lovers?
Show me, and eveyrone else on the planet for that matter, where any of us is obligated to get your imprimatur or H4E’s or anyone’s approval of our lifestyles, our religious beliefs, or our non-criminal actions.
THAT is the crux of the OP.
And getting really angry is a chosen reaction. It’s something you choose to do. Only you can make you angry. Don’t blame us for your inability to follow the religion you and your ilk try to tell the rest of us follow.
You said,
To which I reply,
Bolding is, of course, mine. “Would that it were true.” Gosh, that sounds an awful lot as though you were saying you’d take great pleasure in it if we were, in fact, living a life of hypocrisy. Perhaps you would care to explain? And while you’re at it, perhaps you could explain where you get the authority to speak for us regarding the personal details of our lives, or even where you got this tidbit of incorrect information?
OK, that Grendel’s “See how pissed off you make us” was followed by Monty’s “Only you can choose how pissed off people make you,” is just the ironic capper on the thread. You guys are bogus bullshitters and it’s transparent and unfair. Fundamentally unfair. What the fuck?
Oh, and by the way, no poster here has yet seen fit to show me the post in question by Jersey Diamond. Gee, I wonder why. Talking out your collective asses again?
“you guys” – who guys? More conflation, no doubt. Who are they responsible for now. Pat Roberts? Jerry Fallwell?
“attack our friends and lovers.” They (J&J) did? Show it or shut it.
“only you can make you angry.” :rolleyes: riiiight. Where were you when Jarbabyj was TYPING IN ALL CAPS LIKE A CRAZED RAT. Were you indisposed?
“inability to follow your religion.” Ooh, another low blow. What. A. Shocker!
The sum total of this thread is a painful reminder that to be accepted at the SDMB you have to HATE the right people. Currently, the right people to hate are these three. Fucking forgive me if I don’t think it’s fucking cool to hate anybody, mmk?
You don’t like my posts – don’t respect my opinion? Fine. I note quite a few posters have come in and said this thread is overboard. Did you listen? No. You’d much rather spend your Thanksgiving day weekend spitting venom at folks you don’t know, with information you don’t have, so that you can reenact Lord of the Flies, coming together to bash whomever piggy is this week.
[Insert Rictus of Disgust Smilie]
Is the latest SDMB sport starting Pit threads about these people? There are enough existing ones that we shouldn’t need a new one started every few days. It’s getting old people.
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The first one was spawned from a GD thread, by jarbabyj, and wasn’t just a general bashing of them, it was specifically about that topic (spanking/using a belt/etc).
Just FYI.
Show me where I’ve demanded explanations for your behavior, or stated that you need my sanction, and I will happily fuck off.
I’ll just wait right here until you can produce that, shall I? :rolleyes:
Well, I guess that is your decision to make. But I’ve always thought that burning in lust was kind of fun…
Maybe that’s not a really good reason to marry. But that’s not my business. Your sins are between you and your God. But here’s the catch: That’s true for EVERYBODY else too!
Remember, the Bible says “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” It DOESN’T say "Let he who is sinful and forgiven cast the first stone.
I wish you well and I truly hope that your love endures when the burning lust is gone
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I’m sure you can find it if you look hard enough.
Homosexuals are perverts, according to JerseyDiamond, like people who have sex with animals. They are immoral people because they have violated God’s standard for morality. Just by admitting that they are sexual attracted to the same sex. Sounds like an attack to me.
Hey, I lump you in with H4E since y’all are of the same cloth. Actually, my private hope (now public) is that y’all and all the other extremist Fundamentalists who call me “devil worshipper” would “happily fuck off” of the planet. Not likely to happen, though.
Ana, I’m well aware of the Pit thread which was spawned over the spanking debate. I’m not in any way saying that I agree with the opinions of the particular posters named - I pretty much disagree with every viewpoint they post.
But H4E, in particular, seems to be attracting more than her fair share of Pit threads ATM - kind of like december was a few months ago. Her transgression is always the same one - being evangelical in threads which have nothing to do with religion. I’m in no way suggesting that she doesn’t deserve to be Pitted, only pointing out that there’s ALWAYS a current H4E Pit thread and it makes more sense to add to the existing ones than to start new ones all the time when she’s being called on the same behaviour.
I - too - have a problem with people who call gay people “perverts” while thinking that it’s perfectly OK to BELT (as opposed to smack) their kids. But I think us “godless sinners” are only feeding their egos when we keep Pit threads about them running. It just makes them feel that much more “superior” to us when they see their names in Pit threads.
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Just wanted to clarify that that pit thread had been a spin-off.
I suppose these do, in some way, give the pitters and the pittees free reign to express themselves without having to worry about their language.
I would’ve preferred to discuss that topic in GD, but the curses and personal attacks by some people made it impossible to have a rational discussion without getting insulted.
You know, Monty, I don’t recall ever having said anything to you in any thread at all, let alone calling you anything. So I don’t know how I could ever have called you a “devil worshipper”. In other words, this is just one more unfounded lie, right?
Just as I thought. But what’s one more heaped on, right?
And something else that just occurred to me:
When did the burden of proof shift to the accused? I’ve always been under the impression that if you make a claim or an accusation, you are obligated to support it. Evidently, you seem to think that you get to make accusation upon assumption upon assertion, then sit back and say “Prove me wrong. If you can, I’ll apologize,” while people scramble around trying to defend themselves against your lies.
You’ll get no such satisfaction from me. If you have something to say, then support your claims. If you can’t, then shut up.
Actually, I get quite a good laugh out of the way everybody likes to spout accusations and insults, with no regard for language, then when one of us gets angry, respond with, “nyah, nyah, you’re not acting like a Christian!” Only a coward holds two different sets of rules for himself and his opponent. If you want to get to attack me for getting angry and using harsh language, then you need to watch your own.
But that’s what makes it so easy to play “Pit the Christian,” isn’t it? If he fights back, then you win because he’s not acting like a good Christian. If he doesn’t, he gets browbeaten until he’s lost in the noise and you win by default. Pretty convenient no-lose situation, isn’t it? And yet you wonder why I didn’t participate in the last pit thread in my honor. :rolleyes:
The last time I looked, the LDS were a Christian religion. I hope that you can understand Joe why us atheists sit back sometimes and think that if all of you guys who believe in a divine being get into such hostile conflicts about what that divine being wishes mankind to do, then you don’t make religion seem like an attractive option at all. Is it His will that you guys should be having such nasty shitfights on a messageboard? I’m pretty sure that the Bible doesn’t command ANYONE to do that.
And it simply isn’t true that being a Christian automatically gets you Pitted around here. You’d have to go a LONG way to find anyone on this board who wants to Pit Polycarp, or our other devout Christians on this board (and there are MANY of them). The people who get Pitted are those who try to impose their own religious beliefs on others, and who presume to sit in judgement of others.
I’ve actually become far more tolerant of religion as a whole since I’ve been a member of this board, largely because those who believe have been prepared to explain to me why they have such unshakeable faith - they don’t demand that I share that faith, they don’t feel the need to “convert” me, they simply share with me their experience of “God”.
Where did you see your name in this quote of mine?
Show me where I used any harsh language in the GD thread. In fact, I was called an idiot (by JD), told I was basically useless as a participant in that thread (by you), told I was silly (by you). Hey, look, I’m not a theist, but I turned the other cheek. How 'bout that.