Untruthful Accusations

The BBQ Pit
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Don’t know if this is the proper place for this but it was all I could think of. I’ve been continuing to read comments in the Pit thread about me, Joe_Cool and Jersey Diamond. I want to try and set something straight for all the good it will do because I doubt anyone will believe me unless I say what they want me to say about everything.

I’ve never once said I hated anyone on this board, homosexuals included. I do not hate them; repeat, I do not hate them! When will you get that through your heads? It shouldn’t be necessary or required that I believe that this lifestyle is morally acceptable in order to convince you I don’t hate them.

If you’ll remember, I’m not the one who brought the subject up, but I sure wasn’t going to fudge and lie about my answer. How many times do I have to remind people of this? Did it ever occur to any of you that from my Christian point of view that my reason for saying what the Bible says about it is because I care, not because I hate. Did any of you ever think of that? Huh? All you can seem to say is that I hate and I’m condemning people to hell, etc. etc. I’m lower than this or lower than that, etc. I’m not condemning anyone to anywhere, that will be up to God. I will only say what I believe He says about it, and people can make up their own minds to believe it, ignore it, reinterpret it or whatever.

Once and for all, I wish the accusations of my hatred would stop. It’s simply not true. I’m willing to stay out of any further conversations about homosexuality because you all know my position on it already. So what? That doesn’t make me a hater just because I disapprove of something. I disapprove of drinking, too, but I don’t hate drinkers. I don’t agree with people living together without benefit of marriage, but that doesn’t mean I hate them. I wish you’d all give it a rest about what a hateful, lying, bigot I am. You have no idea whatsoever where I’m coming from.

Also, I’m concerned about Kirkland. He’s the most hateful person I’ve encountered on this board so far. Some of the things he says are terrible but I’m not going to respond in kind. He needs some kind of help, hopefully with a Christian counselor. I suppose maybe I shouldn’t say that, I don’t know. Anyway, I don’t hate him either whether he believes me or not.

I guess that’s about all I can say. You’re going to continue to think about me what you want to think. But I had to try.

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Of all the words in the Bible, it’s the ones that you think are most important that concern me, along with the fact you seem to be incapable of even considering that your particular interpretation of Biblical verses just might be wrong. The Bible is full of rules and laws that are open to interpretation, and it seems that you choose to emphasize the ones that bother you, and ignore or explain away the ones that don’t.
IMHO, of course.

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Wow.

First could you provide links to the threads you are talking about so other people could judge what has happened in those threads?

Second, your comment about Kirkland sounds very hatefull without a context being given. You say Kirkland is hatefull and claim that you are not going to respond in kind yet you then state that he needs to get help “hopefully with a Christain counselor”. Well, guess what, you did respond in kind.

I don’t know what threads you are upset about. I’d like you to provide links to those threads so I can read them and respond. At the same time your post sounds really angry. I have posted some angry threads recently and got called on them because I let anger at my personal life overflow to people on the board who did not deserve it. I apologized for over reacting. It may be that you should try the same thing.

Here is my short version of your OP:

“I don’t hate homosexuals. You all think I hate homosexuals because you DO NOT understand where I am coming from. I never said that I hated homosexuals, only that I think they are IMMORAL! I am just trying to point out that they are IMMORAL because I care. If you think I hate homosexuals then you are stupid. And, Oh, no one will ever believe that I don’t hate homosexuals.”

In other words you come off as one pissed off Christian.

Also, isn’t there some bible verse or something about “Judge not lest ye be Judged?”. Being an athiest I would have to look that one up.

Slee

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I don’t think most of us, or even many of us, hate you.

Speaking for myself… well, actually I can’t give my opinion here. It’s an inappropriate forum for me to cast insults. The phrase self-righteous hypocrite comes to mind.

So you’ve started a thread, in the wrong forum, where we cannot respond honestly, complaining about your treatment in another thread in the Pits. Here’s the link to that thread.

And your last comment in that thread was:

I request the Mods either close this thread or move it to the Pits. His4ever is just using this forum as a shield. This is just a continuation of the a Pit thread that she lacks the guts to respond in directly.

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My intention is **not[/] to come across as a p_ _ _ _ ed off Christian. I don’t know how to do all this linking to other threads. Go to the one in the Pit entitled "His4E, Joe_Cool, and Jersey Diamond are hypocrites. Mostly on the last 2 pages. I’m just simply not understanding why Kirkland and others continue to refer to me as hateful, lying, b_ _ ch, etc. Is having an opnion on something that’s unpopular equivalent to being hateful?

FYI I’m not intending to demean Kirkland by what I’ve said in my earlier post. I’m sorry you took it that way. If you’d like to review his comments, please go to the Pit thread. Sorry, I don’t know how to link to it.

Perhaps it’s just normal on the board to flame someone with an unpopular opinion, I don’t know. But, anyway…

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Please just disregard this thread entirely. The Mods may close it without moving it. It was an excercise in futility. My mistake.

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Besides, as Kirk has been banned, it’s kind of late to say anything about him. Although, FWIW, I’m also worried about him, and I think he needs help.

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I too was and am worried about Kirk. He went from rational to ballistic even faster than I do.

I think a Christian coucelor is the LAST thing in the world he needs, babe.

Apparently by your comments in this thread you can dish the shit but cant take it. Why dont you do yourself a favor and bow out of the SDMB? Then you can feel all glowy about how those horrid, hateful people drove you off…

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I’m sure that eventually I probably will bow out of the SDMB. However, that will be my choice as to when I do that.

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So then, stop creating these threads. Seriously. For your own good.

This is no place for the thin-skinned.

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Sure, Guinastasia. The only reason I started a thead here instead of continuing in the one in the Pit is because I left that one. As usual, I should have left well enough alone. I guess I let Kirkland’s tirade bother me too much. You’re right in that I need to be thick skinned around here. I need to remember that.

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And you also need to stop pointing out to people that they’re sinning. Because you’re going to have ten people pointing back at you.

Seriously.

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His4ever - I don’t think the problem is your view on homosexuality. I imagine many on this board (and certainly in the real world) sadly share your view.

The problem, I think, is that you sound extremely hypocritical in re God’s law. And you seem to find it necessary to share your views over and over and over again. Nobody likes to hear that their lives are “sinful” - you certainly didn’t.

As for Kirk, what he said was inexcusable. I would dismiss his angry words, as he clearly has other issues. But please do take a moment to listen to those who are merely trying to help you. While they may get angry defending themselves (or their friends or their beliefs), they are fighting a just cause - and opening your heart may bring a greater understanding of God’s wisdom

I sincerely hope you don’t “bow out.” But taking some time to think is never a bad thing.

Remember - “this too shall pass”

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What Guin said. I’m perfectly happy to have fundamantalist Christians hanging around here, H4e, and I think I’ve been more than fair to you and your perspective on life. The more the merrier, as far as I’m concerned. But when you cast the first stone around here, be prepared for an avalanche of return fire, and be prepared to explain–precisely and in detail–why you chucked that rock in the first place. Even better, don’t chuck it at all. Spread the Good News, not the Bad News.

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Sure, you’re probably right. I intend to try to stay away from sexuality threads for the time being. I’ll probably wind up sticking around for awhile. I’m posting a lot tonight because I just happen to have the time. Have a nice rest of the weekend. I’m on vacation next week.:smiley: Hopefully will do some Christmas shopping.

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While I think that starting this thread is a cop out… I have followed the other thread and need to say:
H4E
It is clear that you feel unfairly attacked, but what you fail to understand is that when you feel that you are spreading the word of god, you are in fact, hurting people. You are damning people based on their choices. You claim that nobody here knows you or your circumstances, but whatever choices you have made and however they may be viewed in the bible, your actions are forgiven. This is a claim that I cannot deny or confirm, only you and your god can. I think this is what people here are trying to get across to you–you do not know these people, nor have you had to make the choices that they have had to make. Maybe they are just as forgiven as you are. If you stop for a minute and think you will realize that we are all here for the first time, we are all trying to be the best we can, to ourselves and each other. It seems to me that you lack in self esteem and find it by reaching for your bible. Maybe if you looked into your soul (which I think is good) and accept your choices as your own decisions (rather from a book that states that you should stay with an abusive husband), you will find the self esteem that you really need.

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Wow.

I actually feel sorry for His4Ever.

Man, it’s been a sad day on the Boards. Kirk blowing a gasket, and now H4E with her “why can’t you people understand?” routine. It’s all just sad. So many things standing in the way of love.

And the moral of the story? If there is a moral I can see, it is this: peace requires change. If you can’t change, you can never be at peace.

I wish you peace, His4Ever, and to Kirkland as well.

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His4ever,

First, you may have not intended to come off as a ‘pissed off Christian’ but you did. I never read the posts you were upset about before I read your OP in this forum. So maybe you need to think about the tone of your posts more. When I opened this thread I had no idea what the issue was but after reading your OP my first thought was “She is pissed off and Christian”. Take this as food for thought.

Second, your OP in this thread defends people who say things like:

Joe_Cool

**, in the orignal thread.

Do you really think that is appropriate laungage for you to be supporting?

Third, you have commited sins according to your own beliefs. And, on top of commiting your own sins, you admit that you knew you were commiting those sins at the time. You then waiver about marriage after divorce. You claim it isn’t a sin then quote a Bible verse where a man can marry a virgin and that isn’t a sin (Reading this the second time it could be that both the man and the wife need to be ‘pure’). Since you are getting remarried and you are not a virgin which one is it?

Forth, you have almost 500 posts and you should know how to do this simple task by now. Linking to other posts is very simple. Ask anyone if you need help. If you want email me and I’ll tell you how to do it.

Fifth, you were not being flamed for an unpopular belief. You were being flamed for being inconsistant. You said you were forgiven for your past sins but at the same time you are entering into new sins according to the bible.

Last, relying on this “Well, they flame people with unpopular opinions” BS just isn’t going to float.

Slee

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You’re finally right on something, H4E. You should’ve left well enough alone. It was well enough that the Catholics worship deity as they see fit. It was well enough that we LDS worship deity as we see fit. It was well enough that the homosexuals love whom they love as they see fit.

But you didn’t leave well enough alone. You lied about all three groups. You used the Holy Bible as a weapon against all three groups. You said that it condemns all three groups. Yet you ignored what it said about you, apparently. Then, when caught in your own hypocrisy, you essentially ran for cover.

It looks to me as though you’ve finally learned your lesson about the lies you’ve posted on this board. Do you mind if I forgive you for the falsehoods you’ve posted about my church? I’m starting to believe that you’re not going to do that any more. Of course, it would be nice for you to retract those lies. I’ll not hold my breath. That’s because I think one very hard lesson a month is all someone really should be expected to handle. (And, no, I’m not going to jump in tomorrow and say, “It’s a new month!”)

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Hi, H4e. Just had a few comments myself; I hope this isn’t crossing the line into witnessing in MPSIMS!

I can see where you are stating your positions out of a concern and caring for others. However, it doesn’t always look like you do. People are aware (perhaps too aware) that many believe that the Bible states that homosexuality is sinful. What you are saying is absolutely nothing new. However, does it not matter much more that people acknowledge that they are sinners and accept the redemption of Jesus and ask Him to come into their life?

If I may be so bold, it might not be a bad idea to focus upon what Jesus has done and what the love of God is. We know that you believe homosexuality to be sinful, but is it not of much greater importance to present the gospel of salvation?