A parting gift for the homophobes

A parting gift for the homophobes

Your time is at an end. It has finally reached the point where enough people have seen your arguments for the thinly-veiled hatred they really are. The more we argue against your bigotry, the more you have to argue back, and the more exposure people get to the venomous prejudice that lies at the heart of your warped ideology. Every time one of your leaders appears on television, more good people question their support of you. Every time you hold a rally, more people get to see the rabid, frothing hatred you espouse.

The reliqions which once supported you now begin to disavow you. The people who once would never have questioned that homosexuality was an abomination now start to see us as human beings, with lives and families and jobs and feelings, and start to move away from your insane beliefs.

Parents who might once have abandoned gay children to the streets are now attending the weddings of their sons and daughters, as they marry the spouse of their choice, whatever gender they may be. Employers who may have once been repelled by a candidate showing gay traits are now giving them a fair chance. Friends who might once have rejected a gay person are defending them; celebrities coming out of the closet are no longer blacklisted. We haven’t won, not yet, but we’re making progress, and for the first time in my life, I can really imagine a time when I won’t be afraid to hold my boyfriend’s hand in public.

Your hatred is no longer acceptable.

It has been my privilege to witness your fall from popularity, to see the reasonable and compassionate among you realize that they’ve been following the rhetoric of hatred, and back away from you. You’re being relegated to the dumpster of ideological history, along with flat-earthers and moon hoax believers, and I think you’ll find yourself right at home there. As the prevalence of your attitude recedes, leaving little islands of ignorance behind it, I like to think of groups of homophobes banding together in fortresses barricaded against the evils of the outside world, muttering about the perils of gay people in dark, damp bunkers while outside, the rest of the world revels in its newfound freedom.

The same hatred which you used to persecute me will now condemn you to a life of marginalization and scorn.

And yet… there’s one thing that really sticks in my craw. Whenever an argument about the rights of homosexuals goes on, some bigot always objects to being labelled with the term “homophobe.” And rightly so; the term implies that their attitude on the subject is a psychological disorder, that they can’t help the way they feel, and that they’re not responsible for the vile ideas they spew. The alternatives to the term are few, and I don’t really think that they convey the depth of the ignorance necessary to support your position. But this morning, it struck me; there is a term that really conveys the contempt in which I hold you, that gives people an insight into the hatred that stands behind your contemptible beliefs. A term which fairly associates you with other lunatic hate-filled wackos with whom you have much more in common than you’d like to believe.

So, to me, you are no longer homophobes. I have a better term for you.

Straight supremacists.

Hmmmm. Straight supremacists. I like it. I always thought homophobe was too tame a word anyway.

Now if we could just find a way to prevent bigots from breeding…

Well, that’s certainly a very nice speech, Mr. Visible. While you have decided to resort to name calling, I won’t respond in kind. I just wish to say that no matter what you think I don’t consider myself a lunatic or hateful nor do I consider my beliefs contemptable. You’re free to think that of course. I appreciate your feelings and frustrations but I can’t agree with them. I believe, as you know, that the contemptable beliefs you talk about are based on what God has to say about it in His word. My question for you is, what if we’re right? Then what? And please don’t think the day is going to some when everyone is going to accept this lifestyle as good and right because it won’t happen as long as there are Bible believing Christians on this earth. We care to much to lie to you and make you feel comfortable in your wrong lifestyle, I’m sorry. You greatly misunderstand the motives of Christians who oppose this behaviour. There is no hatred or malice but concern and love though you can’t see it. And laying aside the moral issue, there’s also health and hygiene to think about. But that’s another issue. My prayers are with you.

No card?

Fuck you too, pal.

Oh, fuck off already, you sanctimonious toad. Go peddle your holier-than-thou bullshit somewhere else.

(Talking to H4e, of course, not MrV. Great speech, by the way. I hope you’re right, although I’m afraid you’re being a little over-optimistic.)

You know, H4E, I started another thread welcoming you to this Board in the spirit of inclusiveness and friendship. May I now retract that? Go peddle your superstitious, wrong-headed claptrap elsewhere.

Actually, several posters, including Polycarp and **Homebrew pointed out problems with the translation of the original Greek and Hebrew texts, but you ignored what they had to say.

Any god who behaves the way you describe is evil. You and your co-religionists have an extremely warped moral code.

Yes, we know, you people reisted integration, you condone the subjugation of women, and you do your best to impede every step of social progress. It’s nothing to be proud of.

Like the way you people care about kids by “beating the sin out of them.”

Riiiiiiggght. So when you start petitions to roll back anti-discrimintation laws, that’s caring. When you picket the funerals of AIDS victims, that’s caring. When you turn your backs on your gay children, that’s caring. That word does not mean what you think it means.

And we’ll think for you.

I swear, if that woman set foot in a library, her head would melt.

His4Ever, I suspect strongly that you are misreading Mr Visible as condemning you, particularly. And he may or may not be – but that depends on what shoes you are wearing. If the “homophobe” shoe fits…

It is quite possible for a Christian to feel that gay sex acts, or even the desire for someone of the same sex, are sinful, and yet respond to that person in love and compassion. Dreamer does it; musicguy will, I think, be quick to testify to that. Over on the Pizza Parlor, I can think of several people that Homebrew would confirm treat him with loving compassion despite their Biblically based views on gay sex.

The key point, if you’d only pause and recognize it, is what are the key issues involved with being a Christian. And opposition to the gay movement is not one of them. They consist in loving God, returning good for evil, caring for each and every one of your fellow men as you do for yourself, treating others as you would want to be treated, refusing to stand in judgment over others, even when tempted to, as you yourself fear judgment for your own sins, showing respect and compassion for every human being…

It’s all in the Gospels. And if Jesus didn’t know what is most important for us to do, then you and I have made one really bad choice. It’s not like God printed portions of the Old Testament in boldface so we’d know which rules were the ones He deemed essential – but Jesus made it pretty clear which ones they were.

You are welcome for all of me, and I suspect for all of Mr. Visible as well, to consider two men or two women having sexual relations as icky, sinful, perverse, or whatever term floats your boat. But unless you are one of those two people, your opinion of the behavior doesn’t count – what counts is how you treat those two people when they’re fully clothed and standing in front of you – or posting across the Internet to you.

If this offends you, that’s only what Jesus said His message would do. It’s really easy to see a set of rules and follow them; it’s much harder to live as He called us to. As I think you know.

Peace, dear sister. Think it through and let me know if I’m right in your eyes.

I just can’t resist asking you a couple of questions, His4ever . Why did you feel compelled to respond to the post of MrVisible in the way you did? After all, he didn’t refer to you by name. If you feel hurt or offended, is it because things are hitting a little too close to you? Try and understand that we are all of us God’s children, whether gay or straight. Try reading the following, it may help.

It’s refering to Fred Phelps, but it could be addressed to anyone who is feeling conflicting emotions over the issue of homosexuality.

And there is a poem my mother has on the refrigerator door that reminds us not to be too proud;

Last night I dreamed death came for me,
And Heaven’s gates swung wide.
With kindly grace an angel came
And ushered me inside.
There to my astonishment stood folks I’d known on Earth.
Some I’d judged and labeled as “unfit and little worth”.
Indignant words rose to my lips
But never were set free,
For every face showed stunned suprise,
No one expected me!

Ah, H4E, thanks for showing up to our little farewell party. Hardly a celebration of the ignorance of straight supremacy without one of you actually attending, is it?

Ladies and gentlemen, take a look at her. Look long at her words, her pretentious piousness, her backwards attitude couched in dogmatic certainty. She’s a creature of the past, a fossil in the making, and though we won’t miss her, she and her kind should be remembered, as we don’t want to have to go through all this again.

I have no doubt that this brand of belief will persist, in tiny gatherings of like-minded bigots, as has every hate group pretty much ever. It’s going to be fun to watch as they’re mocked, derided, and called out for believing in this kind of hateful bile. Welcome to the margins of society, H4E.

Think on this, however, if that’s possible, H4E. When you say you care for me, while doing things that hurt me, which will I believe; that you care for me, or that you like hurting me? Words lie; actions don’t.

Guys, back off for a minute or two, and let her respond to what I had to say. Dreamer and Joe Cool, if you’re lurking, your opinions would be valuable too.

I think you’re perceiving hate in someone who is not feeling it. I’ve seen homophobic bigotry, and I’ve seen people committed to their faith who think they need to oppose gay rights on account of it, and I believe I can tell the difference. And H4E seems to fall into the second category, based on what I’ve read from her. Give her a chance to prove me right or wrong, willya?

:confused: What is this supposed to mean? It seems like a thinly-veiled “Ever heard of AIDS???” statement - though I could be wrong about that (I would like to hope I am wrong anyway). I am straight and even I am tired of the lectures that the gay members of this board seem to be subjected to ad nauseum.

There is zero difference, and you’re fooling yourself if you think there is. H4E is a hater, and it doesn’t matter in the slightest why.

Well spoken, MrV. I always thought “homophobia” was a silly word; literally it would mean “fear of the same”, which doesn’t make sense. In any case, bigotry by any other name still stinks.

Oh, and His4Ever, Jesus loves you, but everybody else seems to think you’re an asshole.

There is a difference in what the person does, and why they do it. Although homophobic bigots may act the same as people who feel compelled by faith to denounce homosexuality, they have different reasons, and there’s a possibility that a wise person can talk some sense into members of the second group.

No offense, but I think you’ve got too large a personal stake in the matter to see the difference. I can’t blame you, though–note my knee-jerk post above.

There will always be people who hate others based on who they love, their skin colour, where they live, their religion. As stupid as if I based my decision on who to marry or have as friend on the colour of their eyes. Good luck to you MrVisible and fingers crossed for the day when there’s no need for you to have to start a thread like this :slight_smile:

His4ever, I really, really hate people who find it necessary to hurt others’ feelings under the guise of “just telling the truth as I see it”. You don’t have to say it, honesty may be very important, compassion and consideration for others, rates more highly with me I’m afraid.

Because of my great respect for you, sir, I will do as you ask. But I doubt you’ll get anywhere with this particular bigot. I wish you luck, though.

Re: the O.P. I can only hope you’re right. And the straight supremacist is a good idea IMHO. One of my buddies is literally nauseated by the concept of male-on-male sex. In spite of this, he firmly defends the rights of people everywhere to do whatever they want, provided he’s out of earshot.
Re: His4ever: Er, no. There are no moral or hygenic issues with homosexuality. If you think there are, please present them, and we will laugh in glee as any member of the board with two brain cells to rub together dumps your arguments into the gunge. It’s better to be killed on being wrong than on being unable to change your mind.
And I don’t buy that love crap. Show you love people, instead of telling them, if you want results.

So, as longs as we have one of the Christian folk that interpret the Bible literally here, allow me to ask a question that has sort of been on my mind for a while now.

What’s with the “Cafeteria Style” Christianity? It seems to me that the folks that go running to Leviticus every time that they se two men smooching are being very selective in the parts of the Bible that they choose to interpret literally.

Aren’t there also all sorts of dietary requirements (pork, shellfish)? Menstruating women being “unclean” and not cooking? Burn offerings?

And as long as we are picking and choosing amongst the stuff to believe in, why not the good stuff?