Hitler's DNA shows he had an incomplete puberty, may have had a micropenis, and was likely schizophrenic and/or bipolar

The autopsy I’m most looking forward to is in the future…more the prerequisite than the autopsy itself, actually.

Unfortunately that would take that one man commiting suicide in the ruins of the his country as an invading force approached his bunker. I can see the hiding in a bunker while his country collapses into rubble around him bit. I don’t see DJT commiting suicide so his supporters don’t have have turn against their still living great ruler.

The Mussolini final outcome maybe (except I don’t see any of his mistresses sticking with him to then end mind you)

Sometimes good old fashioned ill health and age will do the trick. Fingers crossed.

Yeah but then your into deification territory. How dare you talk about the child rape and the death camps! You are besmirching the good name of the glorious and great departed leader, peace be upon him.

damn - I have been reading the first couple of pages of “CIA’s” assessment of Hitler, and every argument we throw at The Orange Guy, is in there very prominently …

  • delusion
  • grandeur
  • self-agranding (?)
  • science scepticism
  • having a 3 person art-evaluation panel, that you fire when you disagree with them and then you take that panel over :person_facepalming: … does that sound familiar?

There are so many parallels, it’s ridiculous …

Who says reincarnation is bunk?

Hitler had been dead for a year and 6 weeks when trump was born. Plenty of time for the putative gods to have arranged a reincarnation. Presumably wildly defective humans are easier to duplicate than ones with all their shit together.

If your theory is correct then karma is definitely bunk. Hitler gets to start his next life on third base?

Fail upwards is a time-tested outcome.

Karma isn’t bunk. The mistake is thinking it means the good get rewarded. Wrong. The bad get rewarded. Because the gods are assholes. Part of their assholicness is starting the rumor that good is rewarded. They’re still giggling over that particular bit of practical jokery.

In conclusion, based on the presented case, Kallmann’s Syndrome and schizophrenia represent a rare clinical association rather than a syndrome with a common pathogenesis

It’s been a long time since my high school unit on Hinduism, but my understanding was that karma is a two-way street; the scales have to balance in the long run, so if you’re living a privileged life it’s because you suffered greatly in a past life.

Meanwhile, here’s the Onion’s take on this story;

Well given that the only way to determine if the sample actually belonged to the person claimed was to do the analysis, the privacy concern seems perfectly valid to me.

Ya know, for what it’s worth, NOT ALL MEN who’ve dropped-out of puberty, and who may have a micropenis, along some mental proclivities are wanting to be a ruthless dictator…. Some just want the nesseesities to survive, and to be thrown a new Nintendo game their way, every now an’ then! But go ahead; ‘Choose The Bear’!!!

/s

Yes, but he has another shitty father, the same lack of talent for what he really wants, no friends, and he keeps the micropenis.
And he will go down in history as a ginormous asshole again. Some karmic justice…

I guess the controversy is still eluding me. Is it that the analysis would somehow identify some other specific individual? Surely it’s not a concern for Hitler’s privacy?

Sorry if there’s an obvious point here I’m missing. (Also, not a big issue.)

Also, if memory serves, higher rates of testicular cancer.

Because some men won’t get their male dogs fixed otherwise. My vet implants them, if the owner will pay for them, and yes, she thinks it’s stupid, but it increases the overall number of altered male dogs out there.

I think it’s the poor provenance of the sample. There’s no documentation proving it came from where someone said it came from, and even if it did, no actual provenance on its coming from Hitler-- albeit, a Y-chromosome match it pretty good-- but then, you also need good documentation on the donor’s relationship to Hitler.

I can understand why a reputable company would not accept a sample from someone who says they think it’s from Hitler so normal ethics and consent rules don’t apply.

Sure, if it actually does turn out to be identifiably Hitler, no-one’s going to complain, but imagine if the research lab announce that ‘This is from a guy who probably had severe mental problems and a micropenis’ without and then further down the line it turns out the DNA they sequenced is actually from a former neighbour who got nosebleeds as a kid and came over to visit that one time, or Bob the clumsy furniture mover… Oops.

It’s not like this is actually being hailed as some major scientific breakthrough any lab would be excited to get associated with, it’s mostly being recieved with some scepticism, especially with the way it’s been reported. Sounds like they’re somewhat over-egging what they can actually detect from a sample like that.

Makes sense. Thanks to you both.

I think it’s entirely possible, even likely, that genetics have to do with virtually everything anyone does. Environment plays a fair role as well, of course, my point being I don’t have to believe someone wasn’t influenced by their genetics to view them as evil. I can also think, “this unique person’s mental disorder probably influenced their choice to do X,Y and Z” without suggesting all people with said disorder would be similarly influenced.

So I think the subject of Hitler’s psychological status is kind of an interesting historical question, even if it has no real possibility of being answered.

Where I would most take issue is the idea that having a gene associated with a particular disorder means you had that disorder. I don’t think we can draw that conclusion.

Even if the sample is really from Hitler, this is still just a lot of speculation.

Made me think of “The Bad Seed” w/ Patty Mccormick.

(Eta. From the book and play of same name)

I don’t buy that just one man was responsible for WWII or the Holocaust. It’s even more of a stretch to think a particular medical condition is responsible. It all reeks of distancing blame from the violent and racist norms of the early 20th Century.