HMO advice needed.

A few months ago, I started having chest pains. My Dad had been suffering from cardiac arrhythmia, & his doc had told me the problem could be herditary. (sp?)

So, I went to my doc’s office, & found out he had left for several months of “medical treatment”. (detox? I dunno, & it don’t matter). Another doc was subbing for him.

I got EKGs, Ultrasounds, x-rays, the works. Had a monitor pack hooked up to me for 24 hours, too.

Several days later, I came back in for my evaluation. After the exam started, I was told that neither my regular doc nor the sub were contractors with my HMO anymore. Canceled between part 1 of the exam & part 2.

I appealed to my HMO for them to cover it anyway, as the HMO jerked the doc out from underneath me in mid-evaluation.

They sent me a letter saying “no”, but also saying that I could appeal again.

Advice?

What should I say in the letter? What should I mention? How can I best win my point with these people?

I hate doing business with insurance agencies. :frowning:

I have written many letters to companies, including HMOs, though I wish I would have had, at the time, the book I have now: You Don’t Need a Lawyer, by James M. Kramon. It contains some very sound advice and many sample letters dealing specifically with HMOs, among other entities.
Here are some general pointers, paraphrased:

  1. Calm down before you write.
  2. Know what you want. Be specific.
  3. Be sure of what your opponent wants as well.
  4. Review the facts and document everything.
  5. Don’t include anything irrelevant.
  6. Don’t write an extremely long letter.
  7. Don’t immediately cc another agency, lawyer, etc. with the first letter.
  8. Be diligent and persistent. If they don’t respond within a certain amount of time as you request, follow up when the time is up.
    There is a lot of other advice in it, of course.

Go for it. Be prepared, however, to kick it up to some regulatory agency or to seek treatment elsewhere.
No promises or guarantees, but best of luck. And remember: they might say no again, but they could surprise you with a yes.

viva

With you all the way Bosda. The words for HMOs cannot be used in this board.

Without knowing which HMO you have, I’ll try to suggest some approaches I’ve used. First, if you are having chest pains, you can and should go to the ER; as far as I know the HMO has to cover the ER treatment when it is for a potentially life-threatening condition. Many have very tricky regs as to what happens next. For most, you have to notify them within some short period of time, like 24 hours after that. If possible, try to go to a hospital that is in the HMO network. If you get admitted, you probably will have to jump through some more hoops to get the hospital stay covered after the first day.

ER care is relatively expensive; if you are making a trip per week for your recurring chest pain, they might decide it’s cheaper to let you get real treatment. Not that I’m suggesting in any way that you should commit insurance fraud or feign symptoms that don’t exist.

Now, if you’re talking about appeals, couple of things. Someone I knew who worked for an insurance company told me that the first reaction of all of them is to deny coverage in the hope that you will go away, even if they know they are wrong. You may have to go through their entire appeal process, which they will draw out as long as possible. If they eventually end up paying for it, they will have kept their money all that time, with no penalty. As long as you don’t delay necessary treatment, there is no down side to doing the appeal except the annoyance.

Be sure your letter is sent with a return receipt. These things tend to get “lost” otherwise. For any phone calls, keep a careful record of the date, time, the name of the person you talk with and exactly what you were told. Repeat the instructions to be sure you have it right. If it’s legal to do so where you are, record the conversation. If at all possible get the first AND last name of everyone you speak with. Ask them exactly what they want – is it just a letter outlining your case, or is it a form to fill out? Remember, too, that whoever you’re talking to on the phone is probably just a clerk whose job it is to answer the phone and say “no.” If you can’t get a straight answer, ask politely to speak with a supervisor. Rinse, repeat as necessary.

Depending on what the cost of the rest of the eval is, and what your financial situation is, you could pay the rest out of your own pocket to avoid delay, and also appeal their decision at the same time. If you win, they will have to reimburse you.

You could also ask the HMO for the name of a cardiologist (or primary care doctor, if they require you to see one of those first) who IS in their network. Get all your test data from the first doctor. I believe they have to give you that. If possible, bring the exact lab report, not just the summary conclusions, to the new doctor.

If/When you go through the HMO appeal process, be sure to lay out the facts as precisely, specifically and as concisely as you can. If you have or can get anything in writing from a doctor outlining the potential seriousness of the situation and why it must be followed through as soon as possible, do so. Don’t become abusive, rude or emotional (not that I’m suggesting you would).

You can also ask the HMO for a copy of whatever their policies are regarding in- and out-of-network care, and for a copy of the policy or regulation that about dealing with a doctor who leaves the network in the midst of treatment. Assuming you got the coverage through work, the HR person in your company may be able to help you out with more information about what is covered and what is not.

Another possibility is to ask your current doctor or his stand-in if they have a recommendation for another doctor that is in your plan. They should as professionals have no problem with that, especially since they will be losing you as a patient anyway.

Bottom line: Don’t mess around with chest pain. You could have inherited your father’s condition. You could also have a partially blocked coronary artery that is just waiting to close off the rest of the blood supply to your heart. Any doctor or ER will tell you that they would 100 times rather have a person with chest pain come in unnecessarily to be diagnosed with indigestion than to have him come in on a gurney too late for them to do anything. Doctors really hate that. On the other hand, the insurance company doesn’t mind a bit, since then they will never have to pay any of your bills again.

There may have been some very good reasons why your doc or his sub are not covered by the HMO–reasons that may have an indirect relationship with the quality of care you are receiving from them. Though you are welcome to go through the rigmarole of the appeals process following the good advice above, do consider starting again with another doc who is covered by your HMO. If you have serious problems you will be engaged in a long-term relationship with a specialist and you don’t want to fight your HMO each time or every six months whatever. Be sure to ask around for a highly regarded physician.

Bosda Di’Chi of Tricor, the magic words you are looking for are continuity of care. Trust me, I did many of these appeals when one of our IPAs went bankrupt and as a result our Aetna contract was rendered invalid. Dialysis patients can’t exactly just walk into a new facility on a moment’s notice. Tell them they need to keep paying for this episode of illness due to continuity of care reasons. The physician’s staff should have already been doing this for you, but I guess no. Good luck.

uummm…Geoduck?

I know why he’s not covered. 'Cause he’s not there. He’s away getting some kind of medical treatment.

But in general, what you and others have said sounds good.

Anybody else want to chime in?

Another thing is, you’re going to want to work with someone who has the authority to make a decision. The customer service droid taking your call isn’t going to look past the fact that the new doctor isn’t in-network.

You can probably go through the Clinical Management department to get this stuff authorized.

Robin

Sorry for misunderstanding your post, I thought that the original doc had returned.

Bump

i don’t know why I bumped on a holiday, it doesn’t help!