Hofstra (Fake) Gang Rape Claims

Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
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I’m assuming everyone’s heard about this by now:

I feel bad for those guys. My initial thoughts were that maybe she just dropped charges which might not mean she was recanting. But it seems the cell phone video makes it clear she lied–no ropes, no screaming, etc.

On some of the blogs/sites I read, some are saying stuff like the guys did something wrong anyway by nonconsensually taping the encounter and that you don’t need there to be screaming for there to be rape (meaning that she maybe lied about the screams/ropes to make herself look more sympathetic). Plus, she says she was basically abducted into the bathroom…so, yeah, that’s a lie, too, I guess. The tape apparently makes her look like a pretty enthusiastic participant, though–no one’s released it, but, for example, if she’s on top, having a ball, it would be hard to see that as rape.

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Did no one learn anything from the Duke lacrosse team?

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I have to wonder, whose idea was it to have five guys and one woman? Did she maybe agree to have sex with one man, and the others just joined in? Or did she think it would be a great idea to pull a train? Just what did she consent to?

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Well, she claims her cell phone was stolen and she was lured into the bathroom and consented to sex with none of them. If she agreed to sex with one guy but the others just had sex with her, then why didn’t she just say that?

ETA: Also there was no physical evidence of rape in addition to her confessing she lied…

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Probably she was ashamed to admit to having sex in the bathroom. I mean, that’s pretty sleazy.

I think that people who make false rape accusations should be severely punished, but I also have to wonder, as I said, whether the sex was ENTIRELY voluntary on her part. Most women, especially 18 year olds, don’t just have sex with five men at once on the spur of the moment.

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But there are people who do that. I think it’s a mistake to assume that just because most people think it’s sleazy or gross that there aren’t people who would do it. Some people get off on that whole degradation thing.

Apparently the video tape did show her being a willing participant. I’m not sure what that means, but if it shows her on top pounding away enthusiastically, it’s probably hard to see to see her as a victim. I’m also not sure why we should believe her the first time but not now that she’s admitted to lying.

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I’m not sure what to believe. My tendency is to think that she might have agreed to have sex with one, but that the others wanted to join in, and she might not have been able to effectively refuse them. I base this on what I know of human nature, male and female. Sure, there are SOME women who would enjoy a spontaneous sex encounter with four or five men who are complete strangers to her, but not very many. If three or four men showed up, all wanting to have sex with her, how free did she feel to refuse? Were there any threats at all, either overt or implied?

I’d be interested in knowing exactly what the video showed…was it the complete encounter? And what exactly did she agree to? Did she refuse anything at all?

In Feministing, one poster writes “We should be asking why a woman is saying she was raped and then recanting. We should be looking at the campus culture and racial dynamics and history. We should be talking about what we can do about how rape is portrayed in the media. We should not just scream “LIAR!” and leave it at that.” I agree with this. Why did she accuse, and then recant? Where is the truth? If we believe the first, should we automatically believe her second statement? If we believe the second statement, should we automatically believe the first? And, again, does the video show the whole encounter, or is it creatively edited?

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Other than the fact that it said she looked willing and that it showed no screams and no ropes (she claims she was tied up and screaming in the bathroom while being raped), I don’t know. I suppose they could have untied her for part of it? I mean, if her first reaction when being showed a video tape that shows her to be a liar isn’t to explain that, “Oh, that isn’t all of it,” but just to recant right away…that does seem a bit suspect.

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After spending a little quality time with Google, I came up with a plausible explanation of why she’d have a spontaneous orgy and then claim rape…seems she has a boyfriend, who started asking her questions about this encounter. She claimed rape. Now, I can believe that this could be the reason and cause of all the problems. She didn’t want to tell her boyfriend that she partied with five strange men, and made up the rape claim to justify her behavior.

Of course, if she falsely accused anyone of rape, then it was despicable.

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Despicable, yes, but more importantly CRIMINAL…

False accusations of this sort need to be prosecuted with no holds barred, as gung ho as the prosecution would have been if this would have actually been a real gang rape.

Her lies would have been capable of DESTROYING several lives, all so she didnt have to tell her boyfriend/family/authorities about her behavior.

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Face it.
There is a double standard. If a guy has sex with more than person without a 24hrs period he is considered a stud, a player, a MAN to be admired. A woman is considered a slut, a whore, a person NOT to be admired. A woman must cry, “RAPE!” to avoid thought of as a person of easy virtue.

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If she falsely accused the men of rape, she should be held accountable to the full extent of the criminal and civil law. Personally, if she did falsely accuse them, I hope they file defamation of character suit and take her for everything she has.

That sort of bullshit destroys men’s lives, and it makes it that much harder for a person who was genuinely raped to be taken seriously.

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Yes. If only we had a more accepting view of women who fuck five men at a time behind their SO’s back, this poor woman wouldn’t have felt she had to cry rape.

:rolleyes:

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If you’re so ashamed of having sex with five men, then why admit it? Why not just lie and say you weren’t having sex with anyone instead of lying about the consensual nature of it?

Anyway, this whole attitude seems so paternalistic to the woman in question. Maybe she didn’t want to but she said she did…maybe she lied about the ropes b/c she wanted t o make herself look better…ugh.

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This is going to have two effects: 1) It’ll make more difficult to believe the victim next time it *actually *happens, and 2)More guys are going to start recording, legally or not, every sexual encounter they have with people not in a stable relationship, as it seems it’s the only way out of a possible rape charge.

I also agree that women who falsely accuse of rape should have the book thrown at them. We want equality, let’s have it.

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This story reads very strangely. It seems to me there may not in fact be any recording. The DA herself said in the story, “The turning point was when she was confronted with the fact that there may exist a video of some or all of the incident.”

This might be an interrogation tactic. The police lie all the time in interviews. “You said you were forced. It sure didn’t sound like that on the tape. What tape? didn’t you know one of the guys was taping it?”

I’m not saying this was the case, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all. It wouldn’t even surprise me that if she were actually raped, and thought there was a graphic video of it, she might recant everything in hopes that the video wouldn’t get spread around the world.

I haven’t a clue what actually happened, but that story raises a lot more questions in my mind than it answers. I wish someone would just ask the DA flat out – is there a tape or not?

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Well, here it says:

So I think there was a video, that someone saw at least. I also thought I saw in another article that it said the woman was shown the video but I could be wrong. I’ll try to see what I can dig up about the video.

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Either you lie, or my porn collection does.

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First, a basic fact of interrogation. Be very, very, careful when bluffing evidence you don’t have. If you bluff with something the suspect knows can’t be true, you lose all credibility as an authority figure. Tell a burglary suspect you have his fingerprints at the crime scene and if he knows he was wearing gloves the whole time, he then knows you have nothing and will happily wait for his lawyer to walk him out.

Speculation. Assuming the investigator doesn’t actually have a video. All of the suspects know it wasn’t rape and one of them told the detective that they did have a video. That might have been enough to convince them to go in with a bluff.

Speculation 2. Investigator tells her that there may be a video but he hasn’t seen it yet. Two possible responses from her. a) Fantastic, it proves my claims. Lock them under the jail. b) Oh shit! Busted!

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Step 1: Girl has dirty sex with some guy(s).

Step 2: Girl’s boyfriend/husband/parents find out.

Step 3: Girl’s boyfriend/husband/parents ask how this happened.

Step 4: A temporal vortex is created within the fabric of quantum space/time. The fourth dimension is folded backwards through the seventh dimension, and the causality leading to said dirty sex is forever altered. Her consent is removed, and the event becomes rape.

Step 5: Time branches off into a new continuum where the girl was raped and immediately reacts to it in a normal fashion. However, “our” continuum remains intact, where causality has progressed as if the girl was not raped, even though “our” history has changed so that she was raped.

Step 6: Girl explains that she was raped, but didn’t decide to mention it to anybody until she was confronted about an act that would have otherwise been both her fault and detrimental. This is because she only now remembers the rape, as the past was changed moments ago.

Step 7: The persons with whom the girl originally had sex are accused of rape, even though they don’t remember doing so, because in our continuum they didn’t rape her, but in our shared past they did.

Optional Step 8: Sometimes, this time loop alteration causes an instability too severe to be absorbed by the forces of reality, so after a certain period of time, the altered timelines snap back into place. The diverging continuums suddenly merge into one, and the girl suddenly remembers the original past, where she wasn’t raped. This tends to happen after the girl is presented with evidence contrary to her claim. Perhaps it is the questioning of our reality that causes it to revert to its original conditions.

This happens on a daily basis. Everybody knows somebody whose daughter this has happened to. 'Sorta happened to my sister once (Step 8 came into play sooner than usual). Happened to a few girls at my high school. Someone really should look into the instability of our reality.