Unless you’re just joking, this kind of statement completely misses the point (in my view) of what we’re not supposed to forget.
While the Op’s reaction of ‘letting it go’ is dumb for something that happened recently (and 1940’s is pretty recent) 
The woman the OP is talking about is most likely using her ‘outrage’ as fuel for her anger and justifying action against the guy who insulted her. This I disagree with and, I think, what the OP is trying to say. The guy who insulted her…insulted her…and probably didn’t have an anti-semite mindframe.
Yeah, but jeez, it’s been like, what, sixty years? Time to move on.
And it wasn’t such a big deal. Remember 9/11? We’ve suffered too, and we’ve moved on . . . er . . . oh, we haven’t.
Well, there was that whole slavery thing, but that was years ago, and in no way are we still dealing with the social, political, and racial fallout from that way of life. I’m glad we’ve left that behind us.
:rolleyes:
And I submit that that may be a significant historical moment, yet my next door neighbor was not raped by the Vikings. It’s funny how important something tragic becomes when people who lived it are all around you.
Never forget! Unless it involves black Africans. Or Arabs. Or Chinese. Or South Americans. Or Slavs. Then it’s pretty easy to forget – there are way too many to keep track of. Although the Holocaust was, as genocides go, pretty messed up in its means, being so brutally mechanical and cold blooded and all. As opposed to something less sexy, like burning neighborhoods down, bombing people, mass relocation, working slaves to death en masse, death squads, or something mundane like economic policies which result in mass starvation and disease. It’s very rare for something as balls to the wall crazy as the Holocaust to come along – Rwanda and the whole machete thing came pretty close. What they lacked in technology they more than made up for in sheer determination. And a strong shoulder. Hacking people to death takes some work, you know.
But yeah, the Jews, or the Chinese of WWII, or whoever we’re talking about, definitely shouldn’t be compelled to “get over it.” If you travel, you’ll find people who hate some other country for something that happened hundreds if not a thousand+ years ago. The Arabs still fume over the beating their civilization took from the Mongols. I mean, who gets over that sort of thing, really? Native Americans, I guess, but it helps that we nearly killed them to a man.
Heck, there are some members of the Islamic community who got pretty peeved when a certain U.S. official casually indicated we were on a “crusade.” And that was what, 500 years ago? More? Can’t they let it go, already?
Not really a good example ,a British T.V.program called Blood of the Vikings did a nationwide D.N.A. check on our current populationand it seems that ALL Brits are the mixed descendants of Vikings and dark age Germans .
It seems we mostly wiped out the native celts or drove them to inhospitable places .
I’m not going to get guilty about it ,it was getting on for a thousand years ago .
I completely agree, as I see very few people out there that spout the “never again” concept, but are insular enough to think that it only applies to Jews or just haven’t bothered to read the news and see that it’s happening again and again and again all over the world. It’s not enough to say “never again,” especially if it’s coupled with an ignorance of genocide going on elsewhere and/or an outward prejudice to other groups of people.* Working toward a humanitarian effort to help the rest of the world achieve peace and reduce/eradicate genocide through awareness and active work would do more good than griping about one genocide over another. Genocide is always a horrible thing.
[sub]*The handful of Holocaust survivors that I’ve met have been humble and have worked very hard to overcome the feelings left from being involved in one of the most publicized and horrific large-scale genocides in the last century. Their children were a mixed bag; some were equally humble and hard working, and others went out of their way to “prove” to somebody that they were superior, including being outwardly prejudiced to non-Jews. The latter are truly bizarre to deal with, especially if they’re of the “all Germans have always been and will always be evil people” club.[/sub]
Panoply? Hm. Could you put some names to this panoply?
Wow. I don’t know how I missed this gem.
I am sorry to disappoint your need to be offended, but maybe you should take a break on the reading between the lines business and spend more time actually reading what I wrote. “**Most ** Jews I know”. The whole point of my post was about how they are individuals and each does as they want, without having to consult the “Stereotype Manual of Jewish Behaviour”.
I don’t know that many Jews, but they are all very rich. Not only that, but they also have a good sense of humour. Had they read my post, their outrage level would have topped at “Oh, be nice”.
I am fully aware that not all Jews drive Mercedes Benz. Maybe you drive a Ford Pinto and my comment pisses you off. Pity. No offense intended. Maybe if I had grown up surrounded by different Jews, I would have written “more worried about where their next meal comes from, or the weather, or what’s on TV, or the price of fish”. Now go ahead, find some obscure reason to be offended for me now saying that all Jews are gluttonous, cloud watching, TV addict, fishmongers. Whatever floats your boat.
As I said, TMDV. Too bad you were too busy looking for offense and missed the point of my post.
Dang! That’s the second irony meter blown to hell this month!
(consults Manual of Human Behavior)
Nope, sorry Sapo, you’re still an asshole.
Wrong, what you did is post, in a thread about Jews, that “most Jews you know” (which, for all intents and purposes means the same thing as ‘as far as I know, all Jews’) care more about money than their heritage, religion, or politics, which is a pretty stereotypical and insulting view of Jews. People were right to call you on it.
You said nothing about individuals at all. You grouped all (most of) the Jews you know under one disgusting umbrella.
Correct me if I’m wrong: what you’re saying here is “I’m a big fucking idiot, and I thought a nominal, vague qualifier would make people see my comment as cute instead of insulting?”
Well. I doubt this thread is going the way the OP intended, so maybe the hijack is even welcome. Although I will not get into discussing my political views in more depth that I already have, let me address a couple of issues, since I believe their misunderstanding reflects poorly on my character.
In the interest of full disclosure, I am not Puerto Rican. I am Venezuelan of Italian ascendancy. I live in Puerto Rico and my wife is Puerto Rican. I am liking it here but I do not bleed for it, just as I don’t bleed for Venezuela or Italy.
This was covered already. Are you trying to trick me into saying something bad, or just didn’t read the parts that were not as flammable?
I would be genuinely curious as to what is it about PR that tickles this person the wrong way. And whatever his reasons, I would have no objection to them if they were all armchair divagations and didn’t result on calling for the blanket bombing of Borinquen.
I would say “Oh, you know Raul. Tell him to send me my money”.
Now seriously, I would have to mostly agree. If I had reason to believe that this person believes that NO Puerto Rican cares about the issue, I would drop something along the lines of “well, maybe, but not all, you know”. Probably leave it at that, unless that person made a point of insisting on it.
All in all, the reality is that, for the most part, regular people on the street are more concerned about their immediate needs than about any grand transcendental philosophy. At least on their daily thoughts. Some people do bleed and breathe whatever crusade is in their hears and minds, but for the most part, we are all about food, sex and death.
Like Wales.
:sigh: I see this is one of those word twisting threads where nobody wins, but let me have a last try at it.
My post was mostly a mee-too post. It was all about “they don’t have to let go until they want to”, just as most all other posts. For emphasis, I added that this was obvious even to a person who is not particularly sympathetic to the plight of Israel.
If you guys want to get all hung up on the parenthesis, knock yourselves out. I think it says more about you than about me. I will quote my own post bolding the parts I would have hoped made the point clear that this is an individual issue where every person is free to “let go” at his own pace.
You are all, of course, free to focus on whatever you want. I will spare us all the comment about how this whole things feeds so badly the stereotype you are trying to fight.
Can you see how backhanded that compliment was, though? Saying, “they’re not all hung up on the Holocaust, after all, most of the Jews I know are too busy obsessing over material possessions to worry too much about it or anything else,” is not a nice thing to say.
Care to explain this one? Firstly, not everyone here arguing with you is Jewish. Secondly, picking apart your insulting language has absolutely nothing to do with people who do or do not use the Holocaust as emotional/political leverage, nor with anything having to do with the Holocaust at all.
FTR, you really don’t need to twist your post to get unpleasant meanings out of it. I believe that you didn’t intend those meanings, but accusing other posters of fishing for offence in this case is probably going to be a non-starter. You worded your post very badly. Rather than getting angry at other posters for reacting to the plain text meaning of what you’ve posted, you’d probably be better off acknowledging that you were unclear and dropping out of the thread.
Next time you paraphrase it to make it even more evil, make sure you add some Smurfs reference. I loved the Smurfs as a kid.
Actually, let me have a hand at it. What I actually said was:
“Those monsters are all faking a hangup on that totally bogus Holosomething, after all, most of the cockroaches I know are always scheeming how to bring misery to poor children to even fire a neuron about humans”.
Now you go.
Look at your first post again and you’ll see you didn’t explain that the Jews were people you’re on friendly terms with. Without that, it just sounds like a generalization about Jews. If you’d quit whining about people twisting your words and look at what you said, the hijack might actually be over.
I am not sure about the dropping out of the thread part (although I am certainly losing interest on it fast). Still, I thought I had clarified my position enough, let me have a formal go at it:
Although I am not sympathetic to the government of Israel and their actions through history (my haphazard version of it, anyways), I want to make clear that I am in no way against the peoples of Israel, at their land or over the world. I have never and will never advocate for violent action against them (or any other innocent).
I apologize if the wording of my first post to this thread got people’s panties in a bunch. It was certainly not my intention to step on anyone’s toes. The intention of my post was to add to the general consensus of “they will ‘get over it’ whenever each one of them is ready”. I added a mention of my political stance against Israel as a way to add emphasis to that point.
If my wording brought undue attention over that side issue and took it away from the intended message, for that I apologize. I really didn’t mean to offend the Jewish people or to derail the thread.
I hope this makes my position clear.
Sincerely
Daniel