Holding on to Jewish grudges?

I think it really depends where the people were from. I would imagine this was more likely to happen in the East, where record keeping was much laxer generally, though the Jewish population was far less integrated. Jews in Western Europe were usually registered as such, and the meticulous record keeping of many countries made their identification much easier. I assume, though have no evidence for this, that many people in Poland and the Soviet Union were killed by the Einsatzgruppen on suspicion of being Jewish. Given that millions of non-Jews were also being killed at the time, I don’t think such a result would have bothered the SS significantly.

Are you congenitally incapable of writing clearly, or is your incoherence the result of brain damage caused by all that masturbating to the Turner Diaries?

Well, that was cute. Wake up earlier next time. Cold scraps are a hard sell. RTFTBYP

Sorry about my tardy return to this thread, but I appreciate all the responses.

I also apologise for the tone of my OP; it was certainly not meant to suggest that the Holocaust was just a minor blip in humanity’s history and that Jews should just ‘get over it’, no great shakes yannow?

What I was trying (obviously unsuccessfully) to say is that, in everyday life, in 21st Century society, in a world where we all get up, go to work to put food on the table, have issues and problems and backgrounds of our own, calling in WW2 and the Holocaust **as a justification ** for taking offense at what would otherwise just be some rude cunt being an arsehole seems just silly.

As has been pointed out in this thread, there is plenty of true anti-semitism going around (the likes of David Irving etc) and I applaud the efforts of those who fight his vomitable ignorance.

But in normal day-to-day interactions, it strikes me as somewhat precious for Jewish people (like the one mentioned in my OP) to claim victimhood over just normal people doing what people do. Sometimes they put their foot in their mouth…it happens to the best of us. It is not indicative of a systemic anti-semitism re-arising, and IMHO trivialises the horror that did occur.

IOW, I think Jews are completely right to remember the Holocaust, but this need to appeal to history for a sort of victim one-upmanship over silly bullshit like this is just, well, bullshit IMHO.

Anyway, some of my best friends are Jews… :smiley:

Bolding mine.

Seriously?

And you think you are sensitive to Jews and their issues?

ETA: guess I won’t reaction post without reading the whole thread. Sorry, but as a Jew, that one just kind of hit me in the gut.

I still think you’re missing an important point- you are judging what your co-worker is entitled to feel. You have no idea what is in her past or what significance being called “Hitler” might be to her. Instead of giving her the benefit of the doubt, you have decided that she is using the Holocaust in a “precious” way.

If someone called me “Hitler” I would probably be sick to my stomach. To be equated with the madman who orchastrated the destruction of most of my immediate family would be a very real offence. (BTW- I just turned 40, so I’m not some geriatric person who grew up in the 40s and 50s during the immediate aftermath). For example- on a doctor’s history when they asked how all my grandparents died or almost all my mother’s sisters (for history of breast cancer for example) I get to answer “murdered”.

So while teh co-worker’s offender might not have meant it as personally, how could they not anticipate the reaction in a Jewish person, or defend their actions once they realize the person was hurt and offended?

FWIW- most normal people I know don’t go around calling people Hitler.

I appreciate you don’t mean to come as naive and heartless as you sound- but really- who are you to judge her feelings and reactions?

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no offense about he"geriatric" comment. My sis was born in 1948 and I don’t consider people of that age to be geriatric! Fingers were flying and I was a wee bit upset.

I still claim she* is* being precious because she filed an official report against this person.

Shit, of course she has the right to ‘feel’ offended. She can feel whatever she wants. On any given day, I’m sure even I (and I’m as thick skinned as they come :smiley: ) could find comments and things to be personally offended about.

By reporting this bloke though, she brought the issue into the public instead of the personal realm. It is no longer just her feelings being hurt, she has accused him of active anti-semitism by his stupid name-calling.

As far as the actual OP is concerned, I am not certain that there are Jewish grudges in the way that the OP is stated.

I think that if you were to examine the Jewish calendar you would find that many of the holidays exist based on events that happened many centuries ago…for example, being passed over by marking their doorways when in Egyptian servitude.

While I am not Jewish (or even religious), I can fully understand the implications of using the term Nazi or Hitler to a person of Jewish heritage.

Perhaps someday there will be a holiday to remember the victims of the Nazi concentration camps…

Forgive me if you were being ironic and I’m just slow tonight…

The holiday Yom HaShoah is the day of remembrance for victims of the Holocaust. I remember back to my childhood as well as into today that non-Jewish victims were remembered too. In fact I recall my dad telling me when I was quite young that we should hold no prejudice against homosexuals because they marched together in the camps with the Jews.

Yeah. Please read the thread before posting. Then restate your question if needed.

dupe

MrDibble said the world should not “let the Holocaust go”. He explicitly said “Never Forget”. I pointed out how utterly stupid and pointless the concept of “Never” is in this discussion. Prior to that, I gave a timeframe of 200+ years for the world to “let it go”, which may be a bit short. Maybe it will take 1000 years for the world to largely stop caring. Regardless, “Never” is a remarkably stupid word to use in this context.

There’s not call for that sort of language.

I guess the woman could have pointed out how insensitive the (average australian) offender’s remark was. I can just see the scene now.

Offender: Hitler!

Woman: I’m Jewish

Offender: blank look

Woman: So that means I would be more offended by the name “Hitler” than most

Offender: blank look

Woman: Well you see, there was this war…

And many of my good friends are average Australians.

So … getting beyond the ugliness evinced by certain comments … what is the point that individuals go beyond respect for the history and into the realm of the easily offended?

Absolutely never forget. And I mean never. Never “get over it.” But is “soup Nazi” or “You Hitler!” enough to take umbrage at? Was “Springtime for Hitler” too far?

I think the answer is very personal for those examples. If someone is offended or hurt by by a comment, I don’t think it is unreasonable for the “offender” to understand that it might be a reasonable reaction.

Just because some people are not offended doesn’t mean it wrong for others to be. Offense doesn’t require intent. That’s what apologies were invented for.

give it a rest, some of my best friends are dupes. :wink:

And this is the sum of the whole thing. But for the offender to realize he offended and have a chance to apologize, there needs to be a little concession from the offended where the offense is explained. If the offended’s first reaction is to call for a lynching, then there is never room for the apology.

As I said, if somebody called me a “Hitler” I’d find it comic. Others might have a different take.
What would be the reaction if a white employee called a black co-worker a Klansman, or referred to him as “Lester Maddox”?

Sorry, this movie is ingrained in my consciousness too deeply to be tampered with by any offenderati. Recently I passed a stranger walking in the hallway at work and was told (perhaps resentfully) “You’re moving at a fast pace!”

I nearly replied, “Look out, here comes the Master Race.” :smiley: