Home gym/free weights thoughts

(On preview: This got kind of long. It’s really just asking if we’re making a mistake going with a home gym rather than freeweights for our modest fitness goals. Skim away to the end and you won’t miss much.)

In the next day or so, Mrs. Dvl and I are looking to get a bunch of heavy objects to repeatedly pick up and put down. We’ve been using the Super-Loopy-Walky thing regularly for about four months now, and are about to split our routines up into morning/evening sets (in the AM I’ll be on the huff-n-puffer while she’ll be levitating dense objects — reverse in the evening) so we’ll both get cardio and strength training in.

We’re both in our late thirties (some later than others), have never been particularly athletic — heck, have never been remotely athletic — and have modest goals: undo the damage we’ve done to ourselves in the past five years. Between general oldiness, moving out of the city and working from home (no more walking), and quitting smoking (good, but probably responsible for a good chunk of the fifty to sixty pounds of chunkiness we put on), we have a lot to undo. A slight side benefit of this much deterioration is that by the time we get close to where we were before the downward slide, we’ll likely be in the best shape of our lives — so if it takes us seven to ten months to drop fifty to sixty pounds, what’s another few months to go? Plus, the lifestyle change that we’re making should last a lot longer than if we just went all faddy on the carb bandwagon.

So, like I said above, we’re each doing about an hour or so a day on the trudge-mille (with a bit extra for cool-down and stretching). Our eating habits have gotten under control (relatively easy to eat healthy when you love to cook) and we’re averaging between 15 and 20 percent below our maintenance level of caloric intake. Next step: heavy objects!

We’re looking at spending between $350 and $450. Gym membership is not an option, as our lifestyle doesn’t take us out of the house on a regular basis. We’re leaning towards a machine, primarily because that’s what she likes — anything that’s more likely to get used is a plus. The relative ease of changing weights is a pretty big bonus. Another apparent —and sizeable— advantage is the machine-y nature of the thing. I’m not sure I’d know a curl from a flip or a bob. What’s the difference between a military press, bench press, and permanent press? I don’t know squat about squats. You get the picture. There’s lots of Youtube videos out there and I’m sure I could find out which ones show good form, but without a trainer or something like that to give us personal feedback, knowing whether we’re doing the right thing will be a mystery. Not only is it possible to spend underproductive time, it’s possible that we could injure ourselves. So the controlled nature of the machine’s movements is a big plus. Not a panacea, of course, but the restricted possible movements should take care of a lot.

Of course this means not building/working the balancing muscles and whatnot that freeweights challenge. If we’re just looking for general toning/in-shapeness, how much does that matter? We’re “serious” as in we’re committed to a year-long process at least, but not serious as in entering any competition or even strutting around the beach in a Speedo.

There’s also a limited number of exercises that can be done on a machine. I’m sure there’s a bunch of variations that can be done with the pull-down doohicky and lots of fun things to do, but all in all can we get more than ten to fifteen exercises out of the thing? Will we end up looking like Popeye, with huuuggggeee forearms but wee upper arms? Again, does that really matter in the first few years? Lots of places talk about changing up the routine after a few months, but will we have that kind of freedom? Looking at our basic goals, will we need such variation? Will it take us a couple years to exhaust ourselves on the machine?

So I put in a lot of the above in hopes of either reaffirming or challenging our assumptions (sorry if this is too long – I’m used to posting tech questions and the more background the better). In the end, the machine’s benefits of ease of use (that’s ease as in switching around from person-to-person and exercise-to-exercise, not ease as in those ridiculous ads that make exercising seem easy. Work is work.) and controlled form seem to outweigh (heh) freeweight’s benefits of working larger muscle groups and versatility. A lot of this balancing is with an eye toward or Very General Fitness goal. Granted, it will take a year or so to get there, and we expect to be in much better shape than we were five years ago, but that’s about it (not that we’ll be taking it easy, just that we’re trying to keep our expectations realistic).

Here are the two pieces we’re leaning toward. For machines there’s the Best Fitness BFMG20. If it turns out that freeweights are the way to go, we’re looking at a Marcy bench. Neither of us are fans of BowFlex (if for no other reason than we don’t like commercials) or other rubber-bandy-gadgety things. Of course, as above if you can shake our opinion, we’re open minded.

Well, I do believe I covered everything. Thanks a lot for all the past advice offered (even if not directly to us) and anything that is forthcoming.

Rhythm

Personally I hate machines. There are a limited number of lifts you can do with a limited range of motion, and a limited amount of weights. But when I got started lifting it was on machines and they were fine for about three years. The main thing you need to look for in a machine is comfort I’ve found that several don’t have the right combination of adjustability so that I fit comfortably, which makes it hard to work out consistently.

My suggestion for anyone looking to set up a home gym would be a free weight set with an adjustable bench that is sturdy enough to stand on. With that combination you can work any muscle that you want and spend a lot less money. Not to mention it is easily upgradeable. If you go that route for the same money that you would be spending on a machine you and your wife could get two weeks with a trainer to learn how to do everything safely and with proper form.

For the level of fitness you describe, and for what you’re trying to attain, the most relevant part of the OP is:

Oredigger is strong as an ox, it’s no wonder he’s outgrown the amount of weight on most machines. And I don’t want to say it too loud, but he’s bigger than most of us, so it’s no wonder it’s difficult for him to find a machine that’s adjustable enough. I’m not looking forward to playing against him next season!

You’re probably going to get a lot of advice in this thread, quite a bit of debate, and little to no cites. There will also be a lot of people saying to do what works for you; pick something you’ll stick with. That’s the most important thing, really.

The hardest thing to work on a machine is legs; I don’t think I’ve found leg press machine I couldn’t max out (especially on a home gym). But, again, you guys aren’t going to be training to be elite athletes, so there’s no reason that the difference in effectiveness of a machine will be significant, IMHO.

One piece of advice, though; check CraigsList! There is a ton of exercise equipment on there for less than half the cost of new, and it’s *barely * used.

Regardless of which way you go, make sure to do your lifts in a controlled fashion, keep with it, and good luck!

Free weights are the way to go after you max out your machines, if you ever do, so why not start wth them if you have a choice?

Any lifting is better than no lifting, have you considered kettlebells? Clubbells?

Only real advice I have is, if you go with weights, you should work out together with them for spotting purposes.

I’ve got a set of these adjustable dumbells http://www.powerblock.com/blocks.html that are fantastic.
Even a basic set like the Sport 5.0 for $299 would be good for you if you’re both in your 30s and not looking to become power lifters.
We have a treadmill, a set of these with a stand, and a basic incline bench and it’s all I’ve ever needed.

Wow, they offer some reasonably priced ones now. When I was shopping for them, all they had was the Classic. I was still able to get a decent deal on CraigsList, but that’s a great idea.

I’d suggest getting at least two sets of dumbell handles, a full-length bar and weight plates that fit on both, from tiny 0.5 kg to 20 kg ones. These last a lifetime or two and enable a person to work every muscle group in the human body. They take up a lot less space when stashed in a corner compared to excercise machines.

I hunted down my weight sets piece by piece (even got me some super-cheap plates from a prison auction!), and collected a total of app. 350 kg of plates for a tiny amount of money (coupla hundred euros). With them I can therapize my rotator cuffs with 5 kg or deadlift 300 kg, with near-infinite adjustability in between (a must for progressive, effective-yet-safe workouts).

In retrospect I could’ve bought a real Olympic set plus matching dumbell handles for 500 euros or so, and end up with a slightly more comfortable, functional, better-looking, no-urges-to-upgrade set. But my ragtag iron heap will do the deed. I also have a doorway pullup bar (more bang for the buck than anything else). For dipping sessions I just use two high-backed chairs with 20 kg plates on the seats for stability. Home gym is the way to go for me - I’m poor, self-conscious and live far from the nearest gym. 3 workouts per week for the past two years with no costs beyond the small initial investment.

If you’re into reading at all, I highly suggest getting good books on the surprisingly intricate subject of weight lifting (Rippetoe’s Starting Strength and Practical Programming are detailed enough) before commencing with heavy free weight work.

Any routine that you stick with is a good one.

The difference between free weights and machines is not going to be significant for your fitness goals. The fact that you have, and regularly use, the treadmill you already have is a good sign - you can use the weight machine just as regularly and get very good results from the combination.

My experience is that weight machines are better for the novice than free weights. You can build a base of strength without worrying about dropping the weight on yourself, or marking up the floors, and you can’t get stuck under a weight you suddenly realize is too much for the seventh rep.

I wouldn’t worry about the variety of exercises you can do with a machine vs. free weights. You can do a variety of exercises on the weight machine you listed almost as easily. Taking a wider or narrower grip when doing lat pulldowns, palms facing you vs. palms away, that kind of thing.

There will probably be a booklet with your weight machine, which will contain some variant on the traditional three-sets-of-ten-on-eight-basic-exercises. Follow that for the first year.

Then you’ll be hooked, and it will be time to graduate to free weights.

I like my setup:

Fitness Ball: 50$
Free Weights: 30 - 50$
Running shows: 200$
Pull Up Bar: 100$
Mens Health Home Workout Manual: 50$

I can do ALOT of things with the above setup.

Thanks for the insight.

For anyone else looking at the PowerBlocks, I think this is the link Hampshire meant (the OP code seemed to be slightly off). Those look great — I’d seen a few things like them out there (or at least similar in description) and liked the idea of dialing/setting the weight to lift easily and neatly. That’s one of the big deals about the machine/stack – the relative ease of changing weights between exercises and people.

We kind of find the thought of outgrowing the initial weight stack a bit incomprehensible. Not that we aren’t taking a serious approach to the effort, but the thought of hoisting about 145 pounds and finding it too little is a bit fantastical (although perhaps we shouldn’t discount the prospect of getting there with our legs much sooner than anything else).

I’ve been talking with Mrs. Dvl, and it seems that Shodan’s post sums up and sways a lot of the thinking/compromising. The prime advantage is going to be whatever we actually use, and if she finds swapping out weights or confusion over how to do a particular exercise a block, then the relative ease of the machine—even with more limited benefits—trumps the flexibility and overall benefit of freeweights. We especially like the notion that the machine will help us as novice get-in-shapers by cutting out a lot of concentration on form and whatnot. The key to that compromise is setting a long-term goal: stick with the machine for a year, then move to free weights. Since we’ll actually be able to heft the weight, more attention can be paid to form, some good habits will have been developed allowing us to take advantage of freeweights’ benefits, etc.

I’m really glad that no one came in and said that machines are more likely to hurt us, likely to teach Very Bad Habits to novices, etc. I think that was my big fear; that they were just oversized Ab-Loungers or something that didn’t really do anything but could hurt us. The advantages of free weights, though have been made clear; hence the setting of the new goal.

Thanks!

Id recommend a weight bench more like this: Robot or human?

It lets you do squats on the other side, and if you’re bench pressing, completely removes the chance of MISSING THE LANDING STRIP! Not saying you would, I’m say it’s possible to miss the hooks that hold the bar. That possibility could cause a TERRIBLE injury.

It may take less time than you think. But let’s get to that point, first. If you get your equipment on CraigsList, you ought to be able to sell it for what you paid for it if/when this happens. But let’s take it one step at a time.

In this vein, remember that, just because you’re using a machine, doesn’t mean you can lift your hips off the bench when you’re bench pressing, lean back when you’re doing a military press, swing your body when you’re doing curls, etc. The machine will help keep you in line, but the only body parts that should be moving are those that are doing the exercise.

Make sure and update us when you make your decision.

Totally leaving aside questions of form and whether free weights are better than machines for doing the actual exercises, there are a couple of things to consider in comparing them.

Machines are more expensive for what you get. You can get an Olympic bar for around $200 or less new, and it will last a lifetime. Bumper plates, which are more expensive than iron, run about $3–4 a pound new, less used. Iron plates are about $2/lb. new. I’m sure you could find better deals than that too. You’ll never outgrow it because you can buy weight incrementally. Add a bench and a squat stand/rack and you’ve got everything you’ll ever need as far as weights go. You can do all the major lifts with that setup.

All-in-one machines tend to be a bit complex. Since there’s only one weight stack, everything connects to it. You’ll need to reconfigure it for every exercise. That makes it relatively useless for any kind of circuit training or anything where you’re going to be alternating sets of different lifts. It might also be frustrating for you, depending on how easy it is to get it reconfigured. If you put off working out because using the exercise machine is too much of a pain in the ass, that’s going to have been a counterproductive waste of money.

As Santo Rugger pointed out, machines will let you get away with some cheating, but you shouldn’t be counting on that to avoid injury. In fact, some machines make you more prone to injury because the path that the machine travels might not be the same one your body would naturally travel. It will also be teaching you bad habits and giving you a sense of overconfidence, so if you ever do start doing free weights you might overdo it and you won’t necessarily be used to lifting with proper form. And then there’s the issue of not training secondary muscles because you haven’t been challenging them with balancing and support tasks.

I’m obviously not a fan of machines, but as others have said, anything that gets you more active is at least a little bit helpful. I’d personally buy free weights because of the lower starting cost and better scaling and longevity. But then again, I was willing to teach myself lifting form from books and videos, building on some of the body skills I’d had from the past when I was more athletic.

By the way, a book mentioned earlier, Starting Strength, is highly recommended for both novice and experienced weight lifters. Very helpful, very informative. It will debunk a lot of myths about training and give you a solid grounding in the basics.

Just curious, anyone here have a rowing machine? I’ve been really interested as it looks like a good workout.