Homeless Because Of Horn-Locking Vehicles!

Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
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As for me, I don’t actually believe the OP can be taken at face value. I’ve known too many people in real life who tell stories just like this, but for them any resemblance to reality is purely coincidental.

If the facts in the OP are accurate, then yes, the apartment managers and other tenants are assholes. I lived in a place like that once. My car got broken into twice, and management could’ve cared less (I think tenants were the ones who did it). I moved out as soon as I could, and the OP should be happy to be out of there.

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Yes, I do all the time. I’m frequently walking away from the car when I hit the button on the fob and wonder if I’m still in range or if I hit the right button. The brief chirp of the horn gives me peace of mind that my car is secure. I’ve never heard one that blasts the horn at a disturbing level.

Consider the OP… they have been asked to leave more than one complex for the same reason. There are probably a few hundred people living there and he is the only one not allowed to remain there.

If you live in an apartment complex and anything louder than a bird farting wakes you up and upsets you to the point of complaining enough that the management says enough is enough then you shouldn’t be living in that complex anyway.

Find a nice monastery where where nobody is allowed to talk and a brief chirp from a horn won’t be an issue.

Again… how many people live there… and how many are being kicked out? You decide who is the problem.

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For me, yes. Not just yes, but hell yes. Feedback of some sort is nice. A flashing light is fine. There have been a few times when I’ve hit or thought I’ve hit the “lock” button and I hadn’t fully locked the car (and my car has been broken into as a result in one of these incidents. I assume it didn’t properly lock as there wasn’t any sign of forced entry, and I have witnessed it not properly locking on other occasions when I trained myself to look out for the flash or the beep.) So I’ve long since developed the habit of looking out for confirmation.

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You’re clearly not going to be able to change other people’s behavior. Hasn’t happened yet, and most likely it won’t.

Find an apartment with the bedroom at the back, with nothing else behind it. I lived in one that was very peaceful.

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Good morning Forum,
I appreciate your remarks.
I am trying to get out of this apartment today so I do not have a lot of time to update this issue.

I will just copy some of my post from other sites. I have been putting up with this stupid horn-locking feature for over 10 years and I coined the expression “horn-locking cars”.

My story is absolutely true to the best of my ability. Please check out my Google+ page and try to find something that I have written that is not true. I am not talking about opinion obviously.

NoiseNatzi said at January 24, 2014 11:37 AM:

From Parapundit.com:

The New World of Noise Void of Common Sense

Jane, I feel your pain. You are “preaching to the choir”.
I have been bothered by several GM family trucks that sound the horn twice when the doors are UNLOCTED remotely. The first time I heard and saw this I didn’t believe it could be true! The largest auto company in the world had mass produced this crazy disturbing feature!

I blame the auto industry for this stupid design but the people with their finger on the remote button are compounding this audio invasion into our freedom preventing us from enjoying our personal lives. You may have read my previous 5 comments on this site starting in 2011.

I have been disturbed by these horn-locking vehicles for over 9 years now. This problem has become a lot worse since 2009. I think this is because using the horn for these convenience features saves money on the unit cost of production and increases company profits. Using the horn is much cheaper and easier than designing and adding a separate low volume electronic beep as Toyota and other smarter car companies have done.

The horn-honking vehicle problem will get worse as more auto-start vehicles hit the streets. This is the ultimate in convenience but also the ultimate in disturbance. These unoccupied vehicles are started from the comfort of the owner’s home so they can be warm and ready. You know that these big work trucks have to leave early in the morning to get on the job so sleeping late for neighbors and motel guest will be a thing of the past.
The 2 short horn blast are a warning signal in case the vehicle is parked inside an attached garage and started by accident. If this happens there is a possibility that all the people in the home could be killed by carbon monoxide poisoning. This has already happed all over the country. I suppose the horn honks save the auto company from expensive wrong full death law suites.

I would like to make a suggestion that you do not try to talk to anyone that is waking you up. Also do not try to pull a hurt dog out of the road that has been hit by a car. You will be bitten by the dog just as you will be verbally abused by the people you are trying to reason with. I think most of these horn-lockers today know they are disturbing other people. Some are mad because their dealers want them to pay money to change this feature from the honking the horn to flashing the lights. Some are mad because of buyer’s remorse wishing they had never bought their vehicle. Some love loud noise, love this feature and think you should mind your own business.

Thank you for reading and thank you Parrapundit.com for maintaining this archive since 2004.

NoiseNatzi

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Jeanine said at September 1, 2011 8:10 PM:

I’ve been researching this topic for almost a year, and there is no organized campaign opposing the technology other than individual communities banning its use within certain boundaries. It’s up to us to change this on a broader scale. I’ve started a very preliminary campaign and would love it if some of the authors from this forum would consider joining forces. Get in touch with me, find out what I’ve done and what I want to do, and see if you think you’d like to get involved. I’ve found that since deciding to work on this effort and getting started, it’s helped a little in dealing with the situation.

The Adviser said at October 29, 2011 7:10 PM:

If you’d like a noise free, “no beep - environment”, then go live in the cemetery or in the middle of a golf course, or better yet on top of a remote mountain, on-your-own! You critical ‘noise watchers’ are as insensitive and insensible as those carefree & careless noise makers! You are both extremists!

I hope your dogs don’t bark; your smoke alarms don’t blip; you & your partner or kids don’t yell/scream at each other; you don’t party at home or at the bar; you don’t turn up your TV sets during sports season; you never sounded your car horn ever. And I hope you’ll never lose your voice, or lose your car, or be helped by an ambulance or assisted by patrol cars and fire trucks! Don’t be hypocrites!

Before you write anything, please use your brain more than your fingers or your mouth. Accidents can happen anytime, and a subsequent noise is mostly apparent. It could be your relative’s car (thief alarm), your neighbors’ life (burglar alarm, smoke alarm), your parents’ health are at stake (ambulance) - be sensible and empathetic. Learn to accept that our technology has evolved tremendously, for everyone’s safety. If still you find this difficult to accept, or just too obstinate to break your crooked belief and imprudent principle, please see a doctor. Or better yet refer and conform to the first paragraph of this comment.
MarkNJ said at November 10, 2011 8:29 AM:

NoiseNatzi said at November 14, 2011 11:41 AM:

“Adviser”: I have no clue as to how you got on the subject of public safety. Have you read the other comments on this site? We are NOT talking about fire trucks, ambulances and patrol cars.

I do have a few questions for you.
Have you been awakened at 3:00am by an automobile horn?
Have you walked in front of a Ford, GM, Nissan, Honda or Jeep in a closed parking garage and the owner pressed the button on their remote keyless entry and sounded their car horn a few meters from your ears?

If the answer is NO then I say the answer is NOT YET.
When it happens you will understand what this site is all about.

Thanks for reading and please do not purchase these disturbing horn-locking cars until they fix this stupid feature.

NoiseNatzi said at February 17, 2012 7:58 AM:

There is no individual right to convenience in America or any other country on Earth.

If this problem is allowed to continue it will lead to friction between people instead of friendship.

I do not understand how people can think that convenience is more important that common sense. Should everyone in American be allowed to play loud music anytime they want to?

My first post on this site was on 12/04/2010 and I can report, in my opinion that the horn-locking car problem is worse today than it was then. I stayed in a motel last night and a new Ford parked in front of my room and woke me up.

Please send a message to car manufactures by not buying the brand of car causing this noise pollution. If you have one of these cars you should complain to the dealer and get the feature reprogrammed.

DO NOT BUY these cars! Vote with your feet and your money and we can make a better and quieter world for everyone.

The brands in order of the disturbing me in 2012:

  1. Ford
  2. Honda
  3. Nissan
  4. GM (Government motor)
  5. Chrysler-Jeep (Fiat)
    I believe all these disturbing cars should be recalled and fixed!

Thanks for reading

NoiseNatzi said at July 13, 2012 9:18 AM:
NoiseNatzi Horn-locking Update

Disturbing other people with a vehicle horn for your convenience is WRONG and most people know it.
This stupid horn-locking feature is just another form of noise pollution and it takes away our freedom.
A vehicle horn is a safety device and should not be used after parking unless there is a real emergency.

We have the power to change this and make the world a better and more peaceful place!
More laws won’t work but freedom of choice will. When you purchase your next vehicle vote with your
money and your feet and do not buy these disturbing brands.
Only then will the auto industry correct this bad design!

Here is a list of vehicle brands listed in order of disturbance to me in 2012:

  1. Honda
  2. Ford
  3. Nissan
  4. GM (Government motors)
  5. Chrysler-Jeep (Fiat)
  6. Mazda
  7. Hyundai

If you are one of the people disturbing others please check your owner’s manual for re-programming
instructions or call your dealer for help.

Thanks for reading.
NoiseNatzi

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NoiseNatzi said at May 29, 2011 10:11 AM:

The basic question here is does one person have a right to disturb another person with their car horn anytime they want to? The common sense answer is NO! Without civil laws if one person disturbed the sleep of another with a loud noise the person sleeping would probably beat the crap of the person who woke them up and it wouldn’t happen again.

I blame the car manufacturers for a stupid design. Now I am convinced that there is a car buyer in America that actually think it is a status symbol that they can sound their car horn remotely. What is even more amazing is that they over pay for these stupid products. Is the average car consumer in America so brain-washed by media commercials that they have lost the ability to use common sense in spending thousands of Dollars for transportation?

This non-sense has to stop at some point but if the person with their finger on the remote button suffers absolutely no consequences for disturbing others then they will not change what they are doing just as the car producers will not change the design.

Please vote with your feet and your money. Do not buy these disturbing products and if you have one take it back to the dealer and tell them to fix it!

Here’s just a few of the ones that I am forced to hear every day and I will not buy: GM, Ford, Chrysler, Honda, and Nissan.

Thank you for reading.

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I was suffering from lack of sleep on this day and I apologize for sounding so vindictive.

NoiseNatzi said at December 4, 2010 6:20 AM:

People today are too stupid, too lazy or too rude to consider the effect of their short horn blast on other people in ear shot. They refuse to take responsibility for disturbing others even when they wake you up at night. If you ask them to change their actions they will then go out of their way to make sure they disturb you just to show you that they think they have a right to do it. They will say it’s my car and it’s not any of your business.

The car horn is an emergency device and should only be used in a true emergency. The stupid or cheap automobile manufacturers have used the short horn blast to indicate the doors are locked or the security system is armed because it is easier and cheaper than a adding a separate soft tone that doesn’t disturb others.

We need to send a message to manufactures by not buying the brand of car causing this noise pollution. Here’s just a few of the ones that I am forced to hear every day and I will not buy: GM, Ford, Chrysler, Honda, and Nissan. I can’t believe that these large automobile companies gave no thought to this issue! The design engineers and companies should be ashamed of themselves because of this stupid feature. If you have one of these cars you should complain to the dealer and get the feature reprogrammed if you have neighbors.

I believe all these disturbing cars should be recalled and fixed!

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Is there a name for being overly disturbed by minor issues?

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Yes. “Entitled Nutcase”.

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He’s not talking about bird farts. He’s talking about assholes that honk their horns for no reason at 2am. Big difference.

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OK so he has been posting the same thing, some times down to the word, over and over for years. That’s quite something. But being “right” and fifty cents gets you coffee; if the vast majority of the residents have adapted and settled to the “new normal” the battle may be lost already. Sorry, dude.

Now, I would seek for my next car to have the same feature as my current one, but evidently a whole bunch of people don’t even think of it until they drive the car home and lock it remotely for the first time.

Then there is the issue of how evidently **many **drivers have become *de-*conditioned from manually locking and unlocking the vehicle, in large part I believe by the design of the “factory” alarm systems which will blare out the alarm if you open the door manually even with the key or from inside, without deactivating it remotely first. This dissuades from operating the door locks manually and in turn leads to a situation in which people don’t stand right next to the car and check if it locked by pulling on the handle, nor do they wait to open it until they’re right there, but rather hit the button while walking away or approaching, two or three car lengths away. Then manufacturers decide to save a cent or two per unit by making it so it’s one single indivisible step to activate/reset the alarm, set/unset the locks and give audio feedback.

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NoiseNatzi, please don’t use our message board to drive traffic to your blog, or to repost things from that blog. If you want to interact with the people here, you’re more than welcome to, but don’t just cut and paste material from elsewhere.

Thanks,

twickster, for the SDMB

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Basically the facts are: some unbalanced entitled nutcase showed up at a rental office with a self-printed pamphlet of information detailing instructions for some other tenants specific cars, creepily expecting the landlord to give his newsletters to those tenants and expect them to follow the original tenants demands.

It’s fucking weird.

Landlords don’t want to get in the middle of tenant disputes if they can avoid it, because we all have an innate desire to not feel like we are refereeing children. When one of the tenants has proven himself beyond a shadow of a doubt to be a creepy entitled busybody, the instinct to avoid the situation becomes even stronger and more reasonable.

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So if traffic drives to his blog, what happens when they get there?

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They honk their horns.

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The world appears to shrink as people age and have fewer things (job, family, activities) to occupy their time, causing minor irritations to be magnified into (perceived) large problems. There’s a named psychological (sociological? psychosocial?) phenomenon that describes this perfectly. I can’t remember what it’s called, but I know it exists because I looked into it in previous dealings with my mother. :stuck_out_tongue:

Loneliness and age also tend to bring out increased paranoia, even in people who weren’t previously prone to it. I don’t know if this is considered mental illness, it’s happened to almost every single (as in unmarried) person I’ve met around the age of, say, 45-50.

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I just never lock the car with the fob. It’s so easy to just push the button. No problem at all. I do it right before I shut the door and right after I’ve made sure I have my keys in my hand. I hear the satisfying “clunk” and it’s all good.

I do unlock with the fob, and again, the only confirmation I need is that the door opens for me. I just don’t understand what a chirp or a honk or a beep adds, except useless noise.

I’ve never had a car that I couldn’t disable this.

Now, when I’ve lost my car in the parking lot, then I can see the value. But on my car that’s a different button I can use to make it honk so I can find it, if I need to. Used rarely.

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Different strokes and all that… I never lock my car with anything other than the fob. I want to make sure I have everything I need from my car and if I remember something just after shutting the door I can re-open it and grab whatever. Fob gets pushed while walking away… chirp lets me know it worked.

The horn chirp is the norm. It is not the same as someone laying on the horn… it is a fraction of a second. If you live in an apartment there will be people with different schedules. If you can hear the horn chirp you can probably also hear conversations in the parking lot. Next he will be demanding that people coming home after 8 pm are not allowed to talk to each other while walking into their homes.

Again I ask… how many people live in the complex? How many are complaining? How many are getting kicked out? Unless they “flush” the entire complex when the leases run out and only keep the ones who use a fob to lock the car there is a strong likelihood that the problem is with the OP and not the chirpers. The fact that it has happened repeatedly and has been an issue for 10 years and the OP is the one getting kicked out and not the ones locking their cars tells me that the one that needs to change behavior is the OP. Societal norms is what it is called.

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I’ve been one of the assholes. On my old jeep it honked twice on auto start every time. I was leaving for work at 5:30 so 5 days a week I’d honk my car horn twice at about 5:15. I felt bad but no bad enough to go start the car manually and sit there until it warmed up. It’s illegal to leave your car running with the keys in it and the only way to start it without the keys honked. It honestly never occurred to me that there might be a way to turn off the honking.

Luckily in the year and a half I did that none of my neighbors complained and I’m still on speaking terms with all of them.