Honduras: Who's correct?

The coup government foreign minister is really something

“The (US) president of the republic, with all due respect to the little black man (‘negrito’), doesn’t know where Tegucigalpa is. We know where Washington is and we’re are obligated, as a small country, a democratic pygmy, to clarify the concepts for him and read to him, maybe in his language, what’s going on.”"

“Negrito” !

I’m dying to find a spanish version of this quote just to savour the complete idiocy and racism of the man, sadly i cant accede youtube at work.

Coming from the area, I can report that it depends on the context if “negrito” is insulting, in this case it clearly is. I do remember that when it is said in disdain or anger it is equal as calling a black man “black boy”.
http://incakolanews.blogspot.com/2009/07/hondurass-de-facto-chancellor-obama-is.html

Well, you’ve got the comments, now you have the video.

[They allow anything. The United States is no longer the defender of democracy. First off the president of the republic, whom I respect :rolleyes: , the black boy, doesn’t know where Tegucigalpa is…] – Translation and rolleyes mine.

We have a firm nomination for “Great moments in human stupidity”!

Your coup only (faint) hope resides in Obama looking to the other side and not cutting aid to your country, and you call him a “negrito”.
By god, these clowns want to govern a country…

Zelaya and Micheletti are meeting in Costa Rica Thursday to negotiate. Costa Rican President Oscar Arias will mediate.

Interview with Zelaya.

This is a mischaracterization of what is happening (the text in your link, not the linked article). They are not meeting. Rather, they are engaging in discussion with Arias, who is acting as a go-between.

And even your post needs to be qualified as Zelaya’s foreign minister, they are not there to “negotiate” but rather to determine the conditions of the restitution of the constitutional President.

Link in Spanish.

In any event, no agreement of any kind. Zelaya continues his globe-trotting ways with stops in Guatemala and the Dom Rep today. De de facto President, Micheletti, back to Honduras.

Yes, it’s kind of silly to mediate between one side that says, “We must be allowed to return!” and another side that says, “No way will they be allowed to return!”

Nothing in this scenario will change unless/until Honduras begins experiencing some significant effects from international condemnation, significant enough to force the de facto leadership into negotiating a different result.

Well, at any rate, negotiations appear deadlocked.

There’s got to be a fair way to resolve this – what do you think, caged death-match or nude mud-wrestling?

Well, Honduras was getting a lot of oil from Venezuela, which Chavez has now embargoed. That’s gotta hurt.

LA Times Opinion section today has an interesting article on the legality of the ouster (yeah - Miguel Estrada, I know):

As mentioned before, it was not a referendum.

The congress acted on the letter of resignation from Zelaya to appoint Micheletti. Mr. Estrada, like all before him, refuses to deal with the fact that the resignation document was obviously an illegal document, falsified or obtained at gun point.

Saying that he should be arrested and then turn around and deny him entry in Honduras shows that it was a coup, putting a puppet of the military, even if it is a civilian, does not deny that it was a coup either.

The Honduran Congress and Honduran Supreme Court appear to disagree with you.

I’m not exactly in favor of the violent overthrow of democratically elected governments but doesn’t the Pakistani military at least act as a stabilizing relatively independent political force?

A crime is a crime even if the authorities are in favor of it.

BTW they have not been willing or able to explain my previous points.

Definitely not! No more than the Revolutionary Guard Corps in Iran! Unless you equate “unchallengeable” with “stabilizing.”

Well, they do induce a permanent state of stability for some. Don’t get any more stable than that.

Not in favor of it - interpreting their law.

The Congress voted to dump him.
The Supreme Court said this his firing of the military head was illegal.
He was told that he could NOT hold a referendum on eliminating term limits, so he had ballots printed by Chavez.

Now, I would happily see a link that shows that Estrada’s quotes of applicable Honduran Law are false, but I have not seen that in this thread.

Why do we backj one man, when the Congress (including members of his own party), the Supreme Court, and the military) seem to be together in thinking that his term was done.

The whole world has figure it out with very little problem.

It was a coup.

As a citizen of Honduras he deserved to face his accusers, that was not done.

The quote of why that was illegal was furnished by RedFury

And to top it off, once again, you do not combat an alleged crime with an ever bigger one.

Because when a coup happens, that is not democracy.

Once again, a good deal (if not the majority) of the people was in favor of the coup in Ecuador in 2000, still the OAS and the USA applied pressure to make the coup plotters back down.